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    Re: Way Too Early 2013 Draft/FA Thread: Fixing the Defense



    Considering how cap strapped they may be after signing Flacco (or tagging him), they may not be able to shell out 7.5 mill for Boldin.
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    Quote Originally Posted by wickedsolo View Post
    Considering how cap strapped they may be after signing Flacco (or tagging him), they may not be able to shell out 7.5 mill for Boldin.
    By whatever method, we need to dump salary IMO and frankly I don't care who.

    The reality on Boldin is 1) a replacement FA of comparable or better performance will be pricier, 2) Doss's durability is still in question, 3) we do/will have the picks to trade for a vet WR, 4) there is some pretty good top end talent coming out, but not as much depth as the past 2-3 years.

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    Re: Way Too Early 2013 Draft/FA Thread: Fixing the Defense

    Quote Originally Posted by wickedsolo View Post
    Considering how cap strapped they may be after signing Flacco (or tagging him), they may not be able to shell out 7.5 mill for Boldin.
    Very true...imo the most likely casualties are Boldin at that 7.5 number, Mcclain at 4.2, and Birk at 3.4.

    We've discussed this quite often, Boldin is a very solid player, just not worthy of that cap #, he doesnt really seperate and that isnt gonna do anything but get worse at his age. I'd much rather keep Jacoby at his # for next year, continue to develop Doss and maybe add a shifty slot guy in the draft.

    Ellerbe has really blossomed as a player and i'd hate to lose him because Mcclain makes too much.

    Not sure how ready Gradkowski will be by next year but Birk hasnt been very good so if they could bulk Grad up during the offseason and let him gain experience and take his lumps maybe he could be serviceable in year 2.




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    Re: Way Too Early 2013 Draft/FA Thread: Fixing the Defense

    Jacoby could also be a casualty. He is due to earn $4 mill next year.

    I'd actually like to see them rework his deal so he is here for another 2 years after this year and lower his cap number.
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    Re: Way Too Early 2013 Draft/FA Thread: Fixing the Defense

    Quote Originally Posted by wickedsolo View Post
    Jacoby could also be a casualty. He is due to earn $4 mill next year.

    I'd actually like to see them rework his deal so he is here for another 2 years after this year and lower his cap number.
    Yea at 4 million he most certaintly could, every kick he runs back and big play he makes will make it harder for the Ravens to get him to take a paycut lol, but i've been happy with Jacoby, would def. like to see this happen.




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    Re: Way Too Early 2013 Draft/FA Thread: Fixing the Defense

    Not sure if you guys saw this but Brandon Jenkins from Florida St. is entering the draft despite the injury.




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    Re: Way Too Early 2013 Draft/FA Thread: Fixing the Defense

    The Ravens aren't going to cut Boldin. The cap strapped thing is a little exaggerated around here, we are said to be 15 million under the cap going into 2013. Cut Bobbie Williams, Jameel McClain, and Matt Birk, and you have more than enough to sign Flacco or at least franchise him. The funny thing is, it's all speculation from this board on what Flacco is really going to get paid, people have even said as much as what Brees got, which IMO wouldn't be fair on the Ravens because Flacco simpy hasn't been as good as Brees and hasn't won a SB. If Flacco wins a SB this year, I say he deserves a Eli Manning/Be Roethlisberger type deal.

    The point is, we should be able to keep Boldin, and should be able to re sign Flacco. All we need then is to stock up on the defense through the draft, and sign some reasonably priced vets, ala Cory Redding.




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    Quote Originally Posted by leachisabeast View Post
    The Ravens aren't going to cut Boldin. The cap strapped thing is a little exaggerated around here, we are said to be 15 million under the cap going into 2013. Cut Bobbie Williams, Jameel McClain, and Matt Birk, and you have more than enough to sign Flacco or at least franchise him. The funny thing is, it's all speculation from this board on what Flacco is really going to get paid, people have even said as much as what Brees got, which IMO wouldn't be fair on the Ravens because Flacco simpy hasn't been as good as Brees and hasn't won a SB. If Flacco wins a SB this year, I say he deserves a Eli Manning/Be Roethlisberger type deal.

    The point is, we should be able to keep Boldin, and should be able to re sign Flacco. All we need then is to stock up on the defense through the draft, and sign some reasonably priced vets, ala Cory Redding.
    I dont think the Ravens will carry Boldin at 7.5 and Jacoby at 4, just my opinion. They may both indeed be back but i dont think the Ravens keep Boldin unless that cap # comes down.

    I think we will build mostly through the draft as always but under this scenario it would put alot of strain on this year's draft. Who plays FS next year? Will Grad be ready at C? Who plays corner, especially if Webb isnt ready? Whose the NT? Can we retain Ellerbe, Kruger, etc. Could use a bit more flexibility...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Carey View Post
    Not sure if you guys saw this but Brandon Jenkins from Florida St. is entering the draft despite the injury.
    Totally worth a 3rd round flyer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by leachisabeast View Post
    The Ravens aren't going to cut Boldin. The cap strapped thing is a little exaggerated around here, we are said to be 15 million under the cap going into 2013. Cut Bobbie Williams, Jameel McClain, and Matt Birk, and you have more than enough to sign Flacco or at least franchise him. The funny thing is, it's all speculation from this board on what Flacco is really going to get paid, people have even said as much as what Brees got, which IMO wouldn't be fair on the Ravens because Flacco simpy hasn't been as good as Brees and hasn't won a SB. If Flacco wins a SB this year, I say he deserves a Eli Manning/Be Roethlisberger type deal.

    The point is, we should be able to keep Boldin, and should be able to re sign Flacco. All we need then is to stock up on the defense through the draft, and sign some reasonably priced vets, ala Cory Redding.
    IIRC, Ravor said we would likely be around 8 or 9 mill under. Not 15.

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    Re: Way Too Early 2013 Draft/FA Thread: Fixing the Defense

    Quote Originally Posted by wickedsolo View Post
    IIRC, Ravor said we would likely be around 8 or 9 mill under. Not 15.

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    Yeah I think that's after all the resigning of ERFA's, and tendering the RFA's etc... 15 million is before all that, so 7-8 million is still pretty reasonable. You can save around 7 million by cutting McClain, Birk and Williams, which will probably leave us with around 1-2 million in cap space after re signing Flacco or franchise tagging him (which would be around 15 million), and there's always the possibility of back loading the deal which would give us even more space.

    I think this offense could be in an even better place next year if we retain Boldin, and with him, Ray Rice Jacoby, and Torrey Smith, as well as Pitta getting a 2nd round tender, they will have had three years developing good chemistry together and keeps some good continuity going. Then of course you have Tandon Doss showing promise as someone who can break into the rotation. It will allow us to by pass the offense, apart from maybe an offensive lineman, and re stock the defense in the draft.




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    Quote Originally Posted by leachisabeast View Post
    Yeah I think that's after all the resigning of ERFA's, and tendering the RFA's etc... 15 million is before all that, so 7-8 million is still pretty reasonable. You can save around 7 million by cutting McClain, Birk and Williams, which will probably leave us with around 1-2 million in cap space after re signing Flacco or franchise tagging him (which would be around 15 million), and there's always the possibility of back loading the deal which would give us even more space.

    I think this offense could be in an even better place next year if we retain Boldin, and with him, Ray Rice Jacoby, and Torrey Smith, as well as Pitta getting a 2nd round tender, they will have had three years developing good chemistry together and keeps some good continuity going. Then of course you have Tandon Doss showing promise as someone who can break into the rotation. It will allow us to by pass the offense, apart from maybe an offensive lineman, and re stock the defense in the draft.
    I'm pretty sure we won't be saving $7 million by cutting those guys.

    And even if we did, $1-2 million doesn't take into account the new draft picks.

    I get the sentimental feelings for Boldin, but you can't be scared to move on when you aren't getting value for the price. People were scared about losing Derrick Mason too. We'll make due.
    Although Walsh's system of offense can compensate for lack of talent; however, defense is a different story. According to Walsh, talent on defense was essential and could not be compensated for. What did Walsh do in 1981? He acquired physical and talented players on defense.




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    Re: Way Too Early 2013 Draft/FA Thread: Fixing the Defense

    Quote Originally Posted by Raveninwoodlawn View Post
    I'm pretty sure we won't be saving $7 million by cutting those guys.

    And even if we did, $1-2 million doesn't take into account the new draft picks.

    I get the sentimental feelings for Boldin, but you can't be scared to move on when you aren't getting value for the price. People were scared about losing Derrick Mason too. We'll make due.
    I think that draft picks were taken into account with raves cap estimation.

    Matt Birk is scheduled to earn $2,750,000.00
    Bobbie Williams $1,200,000.00
    and Jameel McClain $3,000,000.00

    I don't know how much guaranteed money was involved with the contracts and other stipulations, but I would have though we'd be saving anywhere between 6 to 7.5 million cutting them all, and let's be honest, they are very expendable cap casualties, far more so than Boldin.




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    Re: Way Too Early 2013 Draft/FA Thread: Fixing the Defense

    Keep in mind that along with Flacco they're going to have to make decisions on Kruger, Ed Reed, Cary Williams, and Ellerbe.
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    Quote Originally Posted by leachisabeast View Post
    I think that draft picks were taken into account with raves cap estimation.

    Matt Birk is scheduled to earn $2,750,000.00
    Bobbie Williams $1,200,000.00
    and Jameel McClain $3,000,000.00

    I don't know how much guaranteed money was involved with the contracts and other stipulations, but I would have though we'd be saving anywhere between 6 to 7.5 million cutting them all, and let's be honest, they are very expendable cap casualties, far more so than Boldin.
    Are your figures accounting for signing bonus acceleration? I'm pretty sure Birks deal will cost us at least $1 million in bonus and McClain, while he didn't get a big bonus, still will have the remaining of it accelerate.

    Ravor usually does an article/spreadsheet near the end of the year and does the figures for the potential/likely cuts.
    Although Walsh's system of offense can compensate for lack of talent; however, defense is a different story. According to Walsh, talent on defense was essential and could not be compensated for. What did Walsh do in 1981? He acquired physical and talented players on defense.




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