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    Re: Way Too Early 2013 Draft/FA Thread: Fixing the Defense



    Quote Originally Posted by bmorecareful View Post
    You are absolutely not biased. I am 100% confident both Luke Joeckel AND Jake Matthews will be starting LTs in the NFL one day. I would jump for joy if the Ravens drafted either of those guys.

    Tyron Smith played RT his entire career at USC, he's starting for the Cowboys at LT today (albeit having a bit of a down year from what I hear.) Just because you play RT in college doesn't mean you can't play LT... and vice versa... just depends on the skill set.

    I don't know that OT is DEFINITELY this team's biggest need. Michael Oher has been serviceable and could possibly get better if he had a better OL coach. KO could possibly play LT as well, and Jah Reid has been promising as a LG or RT, which provides good depth.

    I'm much more inclined to look at some of the many outstanding defensive players in this year's first few rounds. Our biggest offensive need remains in coaching, not personnel.
    I know pass rusher is kind of up in the air as to whether or not that would be a position of need or not, but man...Damontre Moore (Texas A&M DE) is sick. He's that speed rusher the Ravens don't have that would compliment Suggs big time. I think Moore is going to slowly rise up the draft boards though. This is shaping up to be a really nice draft for DE's/rush OLB's.

    Right now the following are 1st rounders/borderline 1st rounders:
    Barkevious Mingo
    Sam Montgomery
    Damontre Moore
    Bjoern Werner
    Alex Okafor
    Jackson Jeffcoat
    Dion Jordan
    Jarvis Jones
    Chase Thomas
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    Re: Way Too Early 2013 Draft/FA Thread: Fixing the Defense

    If the Eagles cut Asomugha this off-season and Ed Reed retires...how would you guys feel about him coming here as a FS? He has indicated in the past that he would like to make the swap to FS and his market is going to be nowhere near what it was when he signed with the Eagles.
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    Quote Originally Posted by wickedsolo View Post
    If the Eagles cut Asomugha this off-season and Ed Reed retires...how would you guys feel about him coming here as a FS? He has indicated in the past that he would like to make the swap to FS and his market is going to be nowhere near what it was when he signed with the Eagles.
    Doubt Reed retires (although a SB win could change things), but it may be possible that he'd leave in FA.

    From what I've seen of Asomugha, he makes a lot of mental errors in coverage. That doesn't give me a lot of faith.

    I was never one for moving Webb to the safety spot, but if he's coming off an ACL tear that might be a one year stop gap while he gets up to his old speed.

    What round's Tyrann Mathieu projected to go?




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    Re: Way Too Early 2013 Draft/FA Thread: Fixing the Defense

    Quote Originally Posted by Ravenalytics View Post
    What round's Tyrann Mathieu projected to go?
    At this point I would imagine late rounds at the best. Guy can't seem to get out of his own way.

    There has been a buzz about Moore for a while now and some pundits were already putting him in the top half of the first round of their mocks... I don't think the Ravens have a shout at him if he comes out. There was something on rotoworld about him planning on staying in school though: http://www.rotoworld.com/headlines/c...-headlines?r=1




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    Quote Originally Posted by Lee Van Cleef View Post
    At this point I would imagine late rounds at the best. Guy can't seem to get out of his own way.

    There has been a buzz about Moore for a while now and some pundits were already putting him in the top half of the first round of their mocks... I don't think the Ravens have a shout at him if he comes out. There was something on rotoworld about him planning on staying in school though: http://www.rotoworld.com/headlines/c...-headlines?r=1
    Wow, just read up on his arrest history... he'll probably end up on the Bengals or Lions.




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    Quote Originally Posted by Lee Van Cleef View Post
    At this point I would imagine late rounds at the best. Guy can't seem to get out of his own way.

    There has been a buzz about Moore for a while now and some pundits were already putting him in the top half of the first round of their mocks... I don't think the Ravens have a shout at him if he comes out. There was something on rotoworld about him planning on staying in school though: http://www.rotoworld.com/headlines/c...-headlines?r=1
    Wow, just read up on his arrest history... he'll probably end up on the Bengals or Lions.




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    Re: Way Too Early 2013 Draft/FA Thread: Fixing the Defense

    Quote Originally Posted by Ravenalytics View Post
    Doubt Reed retires (although a SB win could change things), but it may be possible that he'd leave in FA.

    From what I've seen of Asomugha, he makes a lot of mental errors in coverage. That doesn't give me a lot of faith.

    I was never one for moving Webb to the safety spot, but if he's coming off an ACL tear that might be a one year stop gap while he gets up to his old speed.

    What round's Tyrann Mathieu projected to go?

    Regarding Asomugha - His bread and butter has always been as a press-coverage man. The Eagles have been using him as a soft-zone cover-2 cornerback and that isn't his game at all. Still, he's a good tackler, he has good ball skills, and he has the speed and range to cover deep. I don't see it happening, but I wouldn't be surprised to see teams possibly looking at Asomugha as a FS at this point in his career.

    If Tyrann Mathieu gets drafted at all, I'd be surprised.

    That said, I'm not interested in him in the least. He's a good player...in college. I don't know how he'd fare in the NFL though. He's small (5'9" 170lbs). Webb was 5'10" 175lbs when he came into the league, but he's put on about 10lbs of muscle. Still though, that extra inch can make a difference. If Mathieu catches on with a team it will likely be as a return specialist and a depth corner.

    I think our corner depth is pretty solid right now though.

    We'll get Webb back and we have Jimmy, Asa, Chykie, and Graham.
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    Re: Way Too Early 2013 Draft/FA Thread: Fixing the Defense

    Quote Originally Posted by Lee Van Cleef View Post
    At this point I would imagine late rounds at the best. Guy can't seem to get out of his own way.

    There has been a buzz about Moore for a while now and some pundits were already putting him in the top half of the first round of their mocks... I don't think the Ravens have a shout at him if he comes out. There was something on rotoworld about him planning on staying in school though: http://www.rotoworld.com/headlines/c...-headlines?r=1

    I would love Damontre Moore, but if it is between Moore and someone like CJ Mosley or Jake Matthews...I'd go with one of the other guys because they are arguably just as good at their respective positions. Still though, having a pure pass rusher like Aldon Smith across from Suggs would be REALLY nice.
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    Re: Way Too Early 2013 Draft/FA Thread: Fixing the Defense

    I'm still a big fan of Mathieu. I know people are concerned about his pure speed and size, but some guys are just football players. I think his instincts, his willingness to get physical and his ball skills make up for the size stuff...and I still think he winds up at safety. Just MHO though.

    Also, I have been VERY impressed with Ellerbe over the past 4-5 weeks...so much so that I think while we still really need an ILB, it's not the absolute crap that it would have been without him really stepping up. We still need someone though because of course, Ellerbe is a UFA, and Ray is not only another year older, but you can just see the erosion of skills.
    Although Walsh's system of offense can compensate for lack of talent; however, defense is a different story. According to Walsh, talent on defense was essential and could not be compensated for. What did Walsh do in 1981? He acquired physical and talented players on defense.




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    Re: Way Too Early 2013 Draft/FA Thread: Fixing the Defense

    Quote Originally Posted by Raveninwoodlawn View Post
    I'm still a big fan of Mathieu. I know people are concerned about his pure speed and size, but some guys are just football players. I think his instincts, his willingness to get physical and his ball skills make up for the size stuff...and I still think he winds up at safety. Just MHO though.

    Also, I have been VERY impressed with Ellerbe over the past 4-5 weeks...so much so that I think while we still really need an ILB, it's not the absolute crap that it would have been without him really stepping up. We still need someone though because of course, Ellerbe is a UFA, and Ray is not only another year older, but you can just see the erosion of skills.
    I doubt Mathieu declares, he will try and get back into LSU for his senior year, or he'll try and transfer to a smaller school to get his draft stock back up.




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    Re: Way Too Early 2013 Draft/FA Thread: Fixing the Defense

    Quote Originally Posted by leachisabeast View Post
    I doubt Mathieu declares, he will try and get back into LSU for his senior year, or he'll try and transfer to a smaller school to get his draft stock back up.
    He's never going to be allowed back at LSU.
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    Re: Way Too Early 2013 Draft/FA Thread: Fixing the Defense

    Quote Originally Posted by wickedsolo View Post
    If the Eagles cut Asomugha this off-season and Ed Reed retires...how would you guys feel about him coming here as a FS? He has indicated in the past that he would like to make the swap to FS and his market is going to be nowhere near what it was when he signed with the Eagles.
    I love that idea. Shades of Rod Woodson
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