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    Re: Way Too Early 2013 Draft/FA Thread: Fixing the Defense



    Quote Originally Posted by wickedsolo View Post
    I would love Damontre Moore, but if it is between Moore and someone like CJ Mosley or Jake Matthews...I'd go with one of the other guys because they are arguably just as good at their respective positions. Still though, having a pure pass rusher like Aldon Smith across from Suggs would be REALLY nice.
    for what it's worth waltzer football has moore going 5th overall.




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    Re: Way Too Early 2013 Draft/FA Thread: Fixing the Defense

    Through nine games, we have the #2 and #3 3-4 OLBs vs. the run (Upshaw and McClellan).

    Versus the pass, McClellan is middle of the pack, while Upshaw is 3rd from the bottom.

    Kruger is middle of the pack vs. the run, and has just broken up from rock bottom into the middle of the pack vs. the pass.

    PFF.com is not God, and the Ravens have there own scoring system anyway, but based upon the only objective, numerical data I know and can see, Kruger is still odd man out.

    FWIW - Kruger's KC performance was considerably better than his OAK performance. About 80-85% better.




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    Re: Way Too Early 2013 Draft/FA Thread: Fixing the Defense

    Quote Originally Posted by arnie_uk View Post
    for what it's worth waltzer football has moore going 5th overall.
    Yea, I'm not surprised by his stock vault. He has killed OT's this year and not just crappy OT's from TCU and UTEP. He's been going up against SEC tackles and has been very successful. He was also successful last year when A&M was running a 3-4.
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    Re: Way Too Early 2013 Draft/FA Thread: Fixing the Defense

    I've not been following this thread closely but this talk of Mathieu, I have to say I think CB is as much a position of need at this point as any. Look at it:

    Webb is going to be coming off a second ACL injury and will likely not be at full strength until midway through next year at the earliest.

    Williams is almost certainly gone.

    Smith has been constantly injured and quite honestly hasn't played all that well when he's gotten the opportunity.

    Graham, Brown, Jackson, these are reserve depth guys. I do like them all, but I don't know that you want any of them starting for long stretches and with Webb's ACL/Smith's injury issues that is what you are probably looking at.

    Am I crazy? I know they just drafted Smith but the Ravens have, in the past, drafted CBs early close together (Starks and McAlister). Also note that I am not advocating the drafting of Mathieu.




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    Quote Originally Posted by BigPlayReceiver View Post
    Through nine games, we have the #2 and #3 3-4 OLBs vs. the run (Upshaw and McClellan).

    Versus the pass, McClellan is middle of the pack, while Upshaw is 3rd from the bottom.

    Kruger is middle of the pack vs. the run, and has just broken up from rock bottom into the middle of the pack vs. the pass.

    PFF.com is not God, and the Ravens have there own scoring system anyway, but based upon the only objective, numerical data I know and can see, Kruger is still odd man out.

    FWIW - Kruger's KC performance was considerably better than his OAK performance. About 80-85% better.
    Oh...Kruger is gone.

    I am sure the team (and myself for that matter) would love to keep him, but even at a modest salary, we can't invest much more than another rookie contract at that OLB spot.
    Although Walsh's system of offense can compensate for lack of talent; however, defense is a different story. According to Walsh, talent on defense was essential and could not be compensated for. What did Walsh do in 1981? He acquired physical and talented players on defense.




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    Re: Way Too Early 2013 Draft/FA Thread: Fixing the Defense

    Quote Originally Posted by Raveninwoodlawn View Post
    Oh...Kruger is gone.

    I am sure the team (and myself for that matter) would love to keep him, but even at a modest salary, we can't invest much more than another rookie contract at that OLB spot.
    Depends on Ray Lewis, Ed Reed, and what Kruger is ultimately going to ask for.

    Wouldn't be surprised to see them restructure Boldin's deal as well.

    Birk could be gone. Cary won't be here.

    The Patriots extended Rob Ninkovich last September to a 2 year, 4 million dollar deal. $2 mill of that was a signing bonus and he had base salaries of 900K and 650K. IMO, Ninkovich has been a much more productive player against the run and as a pass rusher. I could see Kruger getting a similar deal from the Ravens. I doubt he'd command much more. He is also going to be a FA in a market with Cliff Avril, Connor Barwin, and potentially other guys like Jason Babin or Anthony Spencer.

    I don't think that a 3-year, $5 or $6 million dollar deal is outside of the realm of possibilities for Kruger after this year.
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    Re: Way Too Early 2013 Draft/FA Thread: Fixing the Defense

    Could Deion Jordan play 5 technique in the NFL? He's no where near as big as JJ Watt, but he as the frame to get up to a good size, and he's a freakish athlete at 6'7.




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    Quote Originally Posted by leachisabeast View Post
    Could Deion Jordan play 5 technique in the NFL? He's no where near as big as JJ Watt, but he as the frame to get up to a good size, and he's a freakish athlete at 6'7.
    Maybe, but why do to him what they did to Kruger?

    I like Jordan because he can play the run well, rush the passer, AND drop into coverage. He plays very well in space. I think that is going to boost his stock a lot.

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    FWIW I think McPhee comes back 100% 2013. Two knee procedures and the extra weight messed him up this summer. Still could use depth there though.
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    Re: Way Too Early 2013 Draft/FA Thread: Fixing the Defense

    Quote Originally Posted by BigPlayReceiver View Post
    FWIW I think McPhee comes back 100% 2013. Two knee procedures and the extra weight messed him up this summer. Still could use depth there though.
    Agree.

    I never liked the idea of taking a guy and asking him to completely redefine his skill sets.
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    DE Pernell McPhee said he feels like he's 100 percent and his explosion has returned.
    Great news! Hopefully he's not just talking himself up




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    Re: Way Too Early 2013 Draft/FA Thread: Fixing the Defense

    Looking at some of the Ravens draft needs, there are some spots that we could key in on. The Ravens could look at investing another pick in the 'ultra athletic, mismatch TE'. If you are going to have a guy who struggled blocking, he needs to be more productive in your passing offense than Dickson has been. They could always take a late round flyer on a pure bread blocking TE, or look at an UDFA, for competition's sake. Although Bajema could be that guy already.

    It is clear that they need to not only look at the ILB area, but specifically one for Ray's position. Ellerbe seems find for the way they used Bart Scott. Now, they need someone who can man the ship and back it up with his play. I give Jameel McClain a lot of credit, but I'm not sure that he is the guy for that combination.

    You can never have enough CBs.

    They could look at investing another high pick at WR, getting a guy with some size, in the case that Tommie Streeter either takes too long to develop or does not develop.

    Obviously, if there is a LT prospect out there, the Ravens will likely evaluate the situation. It is not easy to find a quality LT after the first round, but it has been done. This is not to say that Michael Oher has been a bad LT, because he has actually played well. However, if you get a guy with a higher ceiling, it would be hard to pass up. Down the road, if that happens, they can look at Osemele at LG.

    I think that they have a good array of defensive line talent. I just think there is a lack of experience. I think that Terrance Cody is going to come around. McPhee seems more like a specialist. Tyson is someone to keep an eye on. Then again, you can never have too many defensive line prospects.

    All in all, there is not much that the Ravens need. They are closing in on their third consecutive double digit win season. I just think that they need to continue to support the younger players through this team transition.
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    Re: Way Too Early 2013 Draft/FA Thread: Fixing the Defense

    Quote Originally Posted by The Excellector View Post

    I give Jameel McClain a lot of credit, but I'm not sure that he is the guy for that combination.
    He is not a quality starter in this league...at ILB at least. I've been saying that for the last couple years...he is basically a replacement level player if not a bit lower.

    I was watching the Florida game today and one guy that I was watching was Jon Bostic. I think he can maybe be a steal later in the draft...depends on how he runs this offseason.
    Although Walsh's system of offense can compensate for lack of talent; however, defense is a different story. According to Walsh, talent on defense was essential and could not be compensated for. What did Walsh do in 1981? He acquired physical and talented players on defense.




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    Re: Way Too Early 2013 Draft/FA Thread: Fixing the Defense

    Quote Originally Posted by Raveninwoodlawn View Post
    He is not a quality starter in this league...at ILB at least. I've been saying that for the last couple years...he is basically a replacement level player if not a bit lower.

    I was watching the Florida game today and one guy that I was watching was Jon Bostic. I think he can maybe be a steal later in the draft...depends on how he runs this offseason.
    I agree with you, he's just not athletic enough IMO, and is a solid depth player, that's it.

    I too really like Bostic, he's a sleeper for sure. Florida have a number of really good prospects coming out this year, I also like their OT Nixon, many people think he's way too inconsistent to play LT in the NFL. But if you pick him up in the 3rd (currently his projected round) he could compete with KO at RT possibly pushing KO inside, then eventually maybe he could switch with Oher if he plays well. He has great size, long arms, and better feet than Oher, it just seems like he cannot put it all together. Worth a 3rd round pick IMO though.

    For the first round, I'm beginning to buy more and more into Deion Jordan, I would be more than happy if the Ravens take a risk on this raw but very very promising prospect from Oregan, he could arguably be the most athletic defensive player we've ever drafted, I've seen him line up at slot corner for christ sakes.




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    Quote Originally Posted by leachisabeast View Post
    I agree with you, he's just not athletic enough IMO, and is a solid depth player, that's it.

    I too really like Bostic, he's a sleeper for sure. Florida have a number of really good prospects coming out this year, I also like their OT Nixon, many people think he's way too inconsistent to play LT in the NFL. But if you pick him up in the 3rd (currently his projected round) he could compete with KO at RT possibly pushing KO inside, then eventually maybe he could switch with Oher if he plays well. He has great size, long arms, and better feet than Oher, it just seems like he cannot put it all together. Worth a 3rd round pick IMO though.

    For the first round, I'm beginning to buy more and more into Deion Jordan, I would be more than happy if the Ravens take a risk on this raw but very very promising prospect from Oregan, he could arguably be the most athletic defensive player we've ever drafted, I've seen him line up at slot corner for christ sakes.
    I like Jordan too.

    Check out Skov in this game too...I don't even think this is him at his best as he is recovering from that ACL injury that normally takes 2 years to recover from. I like him too as maybe an option in the 3rd or 4th.
    Although Walsh's system of offense can compensate for lack of talent; however, defense is a different story. According to Walsh, talent on defense was essential and could not be compensated for. What did Walsh do in 1981? He acquired physical and talented players on defense.




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