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  1. #31

    Re: How's that potent passing offense doing?



    I just want to bump this excellent post, as it appears to be a huge part of the equation that people are ignoring. The quality of the defense you play kinda has SOME impact on the success of your offense, I would think.
    But KC and Dallas have pretty crappy defenses.




  2. #32

    Re: How's that potent passing offense doing?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kevlar View Post
    But KC and Dallas have pretty crappy defenses.
    Dallas is a top 5 defense (and #3 vs the pass) and KC is right in the middle. Neither are crappy.

    NE on the other hand...
    Although Walsh's system of offense can compensate for lack of talent; however, defense is a different story. According to Walsh, talent on defense was essential and could not be compensated for. What did Walsh do in 1981? He acquired physical and talented players on defense.




  3. #33

    Re: How's that potent passing offense doing?

    Quote Originally Posted by Raveninwoodlawn View Post
    Dallas is a top 5 defense (and #3 vs the pass) and KC is right in the middle. Neither are crappy.

    NE on the other hand...
    By what metric? KC is giving up the 3rd most points in the league, and Dallas is in the mid teens.

    Or are you going by the metric where the 2000 ravens defense was only the second best in the league that season?




  4. #34

    Re: How's that potent passing offense doing?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kevlar View Post
    By what metric? KC is giving up the 3rd most points in the league, and Dallas is in the mid teens.

    Or are you going by the metric where the 2000 ravens defense was only the second best in the league that season?
    I'm using the same metric the NFL uses.

    The same metric that had fans going apeshit about the defense before the Texans game because before that game, we were doing well in points defensively.

    Dallas defense is a good defense and all defenses would give up a ton of points if their offense turned the ball over at the historic rate that KC's offense is.
    Although Walsh's system of offense can compensate for lack of talent; however, defense is a different story. According to Walsh, talent on defense was essential and could not be compensated for. What did Walsh do in 1981? He acquired physical and talented players on defense.




  5. #35

    Re: How's that potent passing offense doing?

    Quote Originally Posted by Raveninwoodlawn View Post
    I'm using the same metric the NFL uses.

    The same metric that had fans going apeshit about the defense before the Texans game because before that game, we were doing well in points defensively.

    Dallas defense is a good defense and all defenses would give up a ton of points if their offense turned the ball over at the historic rate that KC's offense is.
    So the Ravens weren't the best NFL defense in 2000. Got it.




  6. #36

    Re: How's that potent passing offense doing?

    Quote Originally Posted by PerpetuallyBored74 View Post
    I think you need to take into consideration more than just the numbers especially with such a small sample size to work with--only 3 road games.

    What I notice is that when you look at who we played at home and who on the road so far, a pattern emerges.

    Home Games: against Bengals, Patriots, Browns & Cowboys (all played zone or mostly zone, yes even the Cowboys**)
    Away Games: against Eagles, Chiefs & Texans (all played man to man, Eagles made switch in 2nd half and we saw the drastic difference it made)

    Seems to me our success at home and struggles on the road have less to do with where we play and more to do with what defensive scheme we face.

    **According to this article: "On Sunday at Baltimore, the Cowboys played full press coverage eight times. They were full off 13 times and played half press 20 times."
    http://espn.go.com/blog/dallas/cowbo...on-carrs-press
    No disagreement with the small sample size bit. However, it's football, so small sample sizes just go with the territory. I think it's worth considering, because it's so far out of whack with the way the rest of the league plays away from home, and so far out of whack with how the Ravens performed last year with mostly the same personnel.

    Who knows, maybe the Ravens go put up 35 on the next two road games, and my concerns are for naught...

    Edit: While I can't argue your bit about defensive schemes, I'd argue that it's kind of irrelevant. Bottom line is, the Ravens offense is paid to put up points irrespective of how the defense across from them lines up. If there are ways in which an opposing defense can play that completely nullify the ability of the offense to do anything positive... well, we don't have a very good offense then, yeah?
    Last edited by redmike34; 10-23-2012 at 10:34 AM.




  7. #37

    Re: How's that potent passing offense doing?

    Cleveland is better than their record. I think the Ravens will have a tough game there on the road. I wouldn't put money on them next week.




  8. #38

    Re: How's that potent passing offense doing?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kevlar View Post
    So the Ravens weren't the best NFL defense in 2000. Got it.
    Get a grip buddy...
    Although Walsh's system of offense can compensate for lack of talent; however, defense is a different story. According to Walsh, talent on defense was essential and could not be compensated for. What did Walsh do in 1981? He acquired physical and talented players on defense.




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    Re: How's that potent passing offense doing?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kevlar View Post
    So the Ravens weren't the best NFL defense in 2000. Got it.
    *Sigh*

    Your worse than Skip Baseless, he wasn't even suggesting anything close.




  10. #40

    Re: How's that potent passing offense doing?

    Quote Originally Posted by Raveninwoodlawn View Post
    We played Houston at home both games last year.
    Ah my bad. I was thinking about the Josh Wilson pick-6 OT game from the previous year.




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