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    Re: Harbaugh loyal to a fault... Ravens coaching staff



    Quote Originally Posted by Corey View Post
    Don't take this the wrong way but I think your smoking crack. Harbaugh has more than made a name for himself. He doesn't get the media hype because he's not a media hound but if Harbaugh were fired today, he'd have his choice of jobs. He's a guy that consistently produces a winning record year after year. He's made the playoffs and been able to win on the road. The only thing keeping Harbaugh from being a star in the NFL is that elusive Superbowl ring, which if he continues to knock on the door, he will eventually get.
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    Regarding Pees...I understand why they went with him, but I thought Ted Monachino would be the better choice. Young, hungry, and aggressive.
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    Re: Harbaugh loyal to a fault... Ravens coaching staff

    Quote Originally Posted by Kevlar View Post
    They all go back to Michigan. Moeller's dad was Michigan's head coach before he got fired, err resigned, for getting arrested in a drunken assault in a restaurant.
    Aaah geez, hereditary alcoholism, doncha love it. It looks like he had an alcohol-related auto accident in December 2007. One may be forgiven for wondering if after that, taking into consideration his dad's demise as Wolverine HC, the school suggested he look for work somewhere else--& sonofagun, John Harbaugh found a place for him here.

    Forget Mattison, forget Cam--if there's one hire that looks for all the world like pure nepotism, it's Moeller. He needs to be gone, yesterday if possible.




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    Re: Harbaugh loyal to a fault... Ravens coaching staff

    Quote Originally Posted by B-more Ravor View Post
    1. Ray did not like playing in Nolan's 3-4 D.

    2. Nolan's history with the team really means nothing when only 2 players remain with the team who were here when Nolan was.

    3. Other than when a new staff has been hired with a new HC (and,even then, not always), the team has always promoted from within when replacing a coordinator. That predates Harbaugh.

    Oh, and most HC's are just as loyal as Harbaugh.
    This is very true. Not sure how many head coaches keep Cam as long as John has IMO in light of pretty spotty results, a patchy relationship with the franchise QB and a tendency to forget that Ray Rice is always the best offensive weapon on the field.

    How many times do we have to hear the news conference were the Ravens reiterate how much Ray Rice means to the offense and how they need to keep him involved...blah blah blah and then we end up having the same dog and pony show all over again when Ray has another game were he just disappears from the game plan. Its plain goofy. Maybe I am to harsh, it just seems silly that we have the same rant about 3-4 a season were we have to go off about how Ray Rice was just not utilized as he should be. Thats a big problem IMO and worthy of discussion.
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    Re: Harbaugh loyal to a fault... Ravens coaching staff

    Like to clear up a misconception here. Dean Pees should not get a pass on the state of the Ravens' D. During the last 2 years as New England's D coordinator, Pees was unpopular because his defenses were deemed too soft. Soft as in missed and arm tackling, Linebackers failing to plug gaps, D line getting blown off the ball, etc. Sound familiar? Granted, the N.E defense was in a state of flux during Pees' last two years with seasoned vets retiring or moving on and lesser talent moving in, however; the lack of fundamental skills angered the Patriot fan base and Pees took himself out of the N.E. equation. As a Raven fan, I recall New England signing the versatile former Raven Adalious Thomas who under Pees fell flat on his face because a stubborn Pees insisted Thomas was to be used strictly as a LB. Stubborn, sound familiar?




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    Re: Harbaugh loyal to a fault... Ravens coaching staff

    So let's say we finish the season 10-6, make the playoffs and lose in the first round. Everyone on here gets their way and we completely clean house. Next year the team gets off to a 0-5 start with a whole new regime of coaches. What would be said then??

    There's a reason this team has made the playoffs for 4, going on 5 years in a row, and its not as simple as "we have better talent than the rest of the NFL" I hate to break it to you, but every team in the NFL has world class talent.




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    Quote Originally Posted by srobert96 View Post
    It was not just yesterday. The problems on offense have been ongoing for years. The defense has fallen to bottom five in the league. That is unacceptable. I could see falling to 15-20 range. How is the defense worst than Indy? Because Harbs was loyal to Cam and Moeller they are stuck with one of them next year as they are probably not going to change over their entire staff. It is the coaches responsibility to get the players to perform. I am not expecting them to make decision in season. I think the coaches should be given the bye week to get things turned around. If they dont I am not sure the team makes the playoffs. If they dont I hope they make some significant changes.
    Overreact much? We're not even half way through the season. The Ravens defense was clearly not the same w/out the Defensive Player of the Year as any defense would not be. Nobody expected this big of a drop off, but look at the turnover......wait till the end of the season to judge them. Rankings are pretty meaningless considering yards is used as the barometer. Who cares if you give up 500 yards if you only give up 6 points and win the game?

    Why do people find it shocking that a team that has made it to the playoffs 4 years in a row does not make it a habit to fire assistant coaches????? What evidence do we have that constantly replacing assistant coaches is a winning formula?? The Pats haven't won a Super Bowl in 10 years, I wonder if the assistant coaching carousel has anything to do with it.




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    Yeah, the team really went 0-5 afer ditching Ryan, Pops Mattison, and Pagano.

    And those guys were all good coordinators, or at least better than Cameron. They left for better jobs, not because no one else wanted them.

    We are stuck with Miami Cam until the boss tells Harbs to shit can him.




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    Quote Originally Posted by rastaman831226 View Post
    Like to clear up a misconception here. Dean Pees should not get a pass on the state of the Ravens' D. During the last 2 years as New England's D coordinator, Pees was unpopular because his defenses were deemed too soft. Soft as in missed and arm tackling, Linebackers failing to plug gaps, D line getting blown off the ball, etc. Sound familiar? Granted, the N.E defense was in a state of flux during Pees' last two years with seasoned vets retiring or moving on and lesser talent moving in, however; the lack of fundamental skills angered the Patriot fan base and Pees took himself out of the N.E. equation. As a Raven fan, I recall New England signing the versatile former Raven Adalious Thomas who under Pees fell flat on his face because a stubborn Pees insisted Thomas was to be used strictly as a LB. Stubborn, sound familiar?
    Yet they were still top 10 defenses.

    NE would be THRILLED if their defenses of the last 2-3 years performed like they did back when Pees was DC.
    Although Walsh's system of offense can compensate for lack of talent; however, defense is a different story. According to Walsh, talent on defense was essential and could not be compensated for. What did Walsh do in 1981? He acquired physical and talented players on defense.




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    Re: Harbaugh loyal to a fault... Ravens coaching staff

    Quote Originally Posted by Kevlar View Post
    Yeah, the team really went 0-5 afer ditching Ryan, Pops Mattison, and Pagano.

    And those guys were all good coordinators, or at least better than Cameron. They left for better jobs, not because no one else wanted them.

    We are stuck with Miami Cam until the boss tells Harbs to shit can him.
    First off, none of those guys were "ditched". Second, we promoted from within every single time which is why there wasn't much drop off. Continuity is a big bonus in the ever changing roster/coaching world of the NFL. The player turnover and major injuries on defense is the biggest reason why we see such a drop off this season, not the coaching.

    The "boss" has had plenty of opportunities to "shit can" Cameron, there has to be a reason other than "Harbaugh is loyal" as to why he's stayed. Why do people think these issues are so simple??




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    Re: Harbaugh loyal to a fault... Ravens coaching staff

    Ultimately the decision rests with Biscuit.

    I know he doesn't like to meddle, but I have to wonder if he isn't a little bit tempted to step in after this season.




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    Quote Originally Posted by ravens1217 View Post
    First off, none of those guys were "ditched". Second, we promoted from within every single time which is why there wasn't much drop off. Continuity is a big bonus in the ever changing roster/coaching world of the NFL. The player turnover and major injuries on defense is the biggest reason why we see such a drop off this season, not the coaching.

    The "boss" has had plenty of opportunities to "shit can" Cameron, there has to be a reason other than "Harbaugh is loyal" as to why he's stayed. Why do people think these issues are so simple??
    This issue is very simple. The front office is more than happy with our offense under Cam Cameron.




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    Quote Originally Posted by steelerhater View Post
    This issue is very simple. The front office is more than happy with our offense under Cam Cameron.
    What proof do you have?




  14. #44

    Re: Harbaugh loyal to a fault... Ravens coaching staff

    Quote Originally Posted by pslholder96 View Post
    What proof do you have?
    The last 4 years!




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    Quote Originally Posted by steelerhater View Post
    The last 4 years!
    Do you you have inside info that Steve B is happy with Cam. Didn't think so.




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