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    Harbaugh loyal to a fault... Ravens coaching staff



    John is a stand by your coaches kinda guy. Cam, Dean Pees, Moeller, and Rosburg, have all been in the firing line of fan frustration and yet remain as coaches on this team. When the talent level was at its all time high, I think you could get away with some questionable coaching performances. The talent was such that results were gotten,those results never lived up to the talent but they were enough to help guys skate by. Now when there is a dropoff in talent, we are seeing the warts of these coaches up close and personnel. I think come the end of the year there should be significant changes on the coaching staff.

    Jerry Rosburg finally has a special teams unit that seems solid to this point. That said how many guys did the team have to carry as "special team" specialists to make that happen. Graham, Ayandebejo, Ihedigbo etc....any team that ties up the number of spots on guys who specialty is special teams should be that good. What impact does this have on our depth on D?

    Gary Moeller has been at best mediocre as the Oline coach. I see little adjusting on the Oline to opponents defensive fronts and the development of talent has been spotty at best. Not to mention a couple of DWI's. I gotta wonder if another coach could get more out a group of guys who seem to have some talent but consistently show lack of good fundamentals and a propensity to get the same silly penalties

    Dean Pee's- Will grant Dean Pees was handed less than others who have stepped into the job but that said its the lack of adjustments in game that really bother me. While I think a lot of if not most of the drop off in performance has to be traced to guys lost either through FA or injury, some of it is scheme and some of it has to do with trying to fit a round peg in a square hole. Mike Nolan was sitting there to be had this off season. I would have much preferred to see him come in. Nolan was a guy who when he took over looked at the personnel he had and rather than trying to replicate what the guy (Lewis) did before him, he changed things to fit the personnel. God I wish we had that now.

    Cam Cameron- What more can be said. Year after year we see silly play calls. Even when Joe calls the plays its still from a bag of festering pooh that Cam hands him. Unimaginative when it should be imaginative, overly complicated when it should be simple. No communication between the coordinator and Oline coach or Cam would realize that the patterns he has our WR out there trotting around doing are taking far to long develop (for the 3 year in a row) and are likely to get our QB killed at some point this year if it keeps up. An all pro running back who far to often becomes an after thought in the offensive game plan. Its not just fans, commentators, critics and other ex-coaches have even wondered just what is running through the mind of one Cam Cameron.
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    Re: Harbaugh loyal to a fault... Ravens coaching staff

    I've said it before, so of course I agree with this.

    I like Harbs as a head coach, but as far as the team he keeps underneath him... not so much.
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    Re: Harbaugh loyal to a fault... Ravens coaching staff

    Quote Originally Posted by NCRAVEN View Post
    I've said it before, so of course I agree with this.

    I like Harbs as a head coach, but as far as the team he keeps underneath him... not so much.
    I totally agree. I have to wonder when Bischotti or Ozzie just says enough.....
    If there were one guy on that list that has some legit excuses its Pees. That said he has done little IMO to adjust
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    Re: Harbaugh loyal to a fault... Ravens coaching staff

    Quote Originally Posted by Ravenous1 View Post
    Mike Nolan was sitting there to be had this off season. I would have much preferred to see him come in. Nolan was a guy who when he took over looked at the personnel he had and rather than trying to replicate what the guy (Lewis) did before him, he changed things to fit the personnel. God I wish we had that now.
    Only problem with Nolan, he'd probably be itching to get the HC job. I don't think Harbaugh has made enough of a name for himself to feel secure enough to bring in a big name like that. One that could easily supplant him.




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    Re: Harbaugh loyal to a fault... Ravens coaching staff

    Quote Originally Posted by Kevlar View Post
    Only problem with Nolan, he'd probably be itching to get the HC job. I don't think Harbaugh has made enough of a name for himself to feel secure enough to bring in a big name like that. One that could easily supplant him.
    I hear ya but not buying it. Nolan was a guy who was unsuccessful in SF as a head coach and not a guy who IMO just walks into a team that has been to 4 straight playoffs and supplants the head coach. If this is the reason then its worse than I feared. Look Gary Kubiack had the stones to bring in Wade Phillips to be his D coordinator. Phillips is about as popular as one can get in Houston (Texas boy, dad Bum was popular etc..) but it did not stop him from bringing him in.

    I just think John felt obligated to move up one of his guys. Pees has coordinator experience and was ok as a coordinator so I guess it makes sense. Just think that Nolan has a better pedigree and a history with the team.
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    Re: Harbaugh loyal to a fault... Ravens coaching staff

    Quote Originally Posted by Ravenous1 View Post
    I just think John felt obligated to move up one of his guys
    I am feel obligated to jam my foot up someones ASS for the mess that Ravens are becoming.


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    Re: Harbaugh loyal to a fault... Ravens coaching staff

    I'm sick of old, groggy, unenthusiastic men running our defense. It just doesn't work. Granted, Johnson and Redding left and Suggs was hurt for a little bit, but we're pretty darn bad. I'm all for Ted Monachino or some young, energetic mind.

    As for Cam, whatever.




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    Re: Harbaugh loyal to a fault... Ravens coaching staff

    Quote Originally Posted by Lime in the Coconut View Post
    I'm sick of old, groggy, unenthusiastic men running our defense. It just doesn't work. Granted, Johnson and Redding left and Suggs was hurt for a little bit, but we're pretty darn bad. I'm all for Ted Monachino or some young, energetic mind.

    As for Cam, whatever.
    More than anything I am tired of coordinators who seem to insist on doing things their way week after week after week when the stats, eyetest and more show its not working.

    Stop talking about "Mighty Men" and take a good look in the mirror and come up with a "Mighty Plan" that might include say....admitting your doing things incorrectly and fixing it.
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    Re: Harbaugh loyal to a fault... Ravens coaching staff

    Quote Originally Posted by Ravenous1 View Post
    John is a stand by your coaches kinda guy. Cam, Dean Pees, Moeller, and Rosburg, have all been in the firing line of fan frustration and yet remain as coaches on this team. When the talent level was at its all time high, I think you could get away with some questionable coaching performances. The talent was such that results were gotten,those results never lived up to the talent but they were enough to help guys skate by. Now when there is a dropoff in talent, we are seeing the warts of these coaches up close and personnel. I think come the end of the year there should be significant changes on the coaching staff.

    Jerry Rosburg finally has a special teams unit that seems solid to this point. That said how many guys did the team have to carry as "special team" specialists to make that happen. Graham, Ayandebejo, Ihedigbo etc....any team that ties up the number of spots on guys who specialty is special teams should be that good. What impact does this have on our depth on D?

    Gary Moeller has been at best mediocre as the Oline coach. I see little adjusting on the Oline to opponents defensive fronts and the development of talent has been spotty at best. Not to mention a couple of DWI's. I gotta wonder if another coach could get more out a group of guys who seem to have some talent but consistently show lack of good fundamentals and a propensity to get the same silly penalties

    Dean Pee's- Will grant Dean Pees was handed less than others who have stepped into the job but that said its the lack of adjustments in game that really bother me. While I think a lot of if not most of the drop off in performance has to be traced to guys lost either through FA or injury, some of it is scheme and some of it has to do with trying to fit a round peg in a square hole. Mike Nolan was sitting there to be had this off season. I would have much preferred to see him come in. Nolan was a guy who when he took over looked at the personnel he had and rather than trying to replicate what the guy (Lewis) did before him, he changed things to fit the personnel. God I wish we had that now.

    Cam Cameron- What more can be said. Year after year we see silly play calls. Even when Joe calls the plays its still from a bag of festering pooh that Cam hands him. Unimaginative when it should be imaginative, overly complicated when it should be simple. No communication between the coordinator and Oline coach or Cam would realize that the patterns he has our WR out there trotting around doing are taking far to long develop (for the 3 year in a row) and are likely to get our QB killed at some point this year if it keeps up. An all pro running back who far to often becomes an after thought in the offensive game plan. Its not just fans, commentators, critics and other ex-coaches have even wondered just what is running through the mind of one Cam Cameron.
    If you want every top assistant coach fired after starting 5-2 and in first place by 1.5 games despite multiple key injuries, what would you be saying if the record was opposite (2-5) and they were in dead last place. Or would you have already jumped off the bridge at that point?




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    Re: Harbaugh loyal to a fault... Ravens coaching staff

    Maybe Harbaugh can take a lesson from Billick. Didn't he hire Jim Fassel, one of his best friends at the time, as offensive coordinator (2004?). Then fire him after two unproductive offensive seasons(?) You can be a supportive Head Coach for just so long, then you've got to be realistic about how your team is headed. When your own career may be in jeopardy (not saying Harbs is), then you've got to assess players and coaches under you with a more sensible eye, and not let anything personal get in the way of a prudent decision... Bc




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    Re: Harbaugh loyal to a fault... Ravens coaching staff

    I agree.




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    Re: Harbaugh loyal to a fault... Ravens coaching staff

    Quote Originally Posted by ravens1217 View Post
    If you want every top assistant coach fired after starting 5-2 and in first place by 1.5 games despite multiple key injuries, what would you be saying if the record was opposite (2-5) and they were in dead last place. Or would you have already jumped off the bridge at that point?




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