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    Re: What's the chances of us landing Manti Teo in the draft?



    You know we won't get him unless we have a Top 10 pick. We all know how uber-conservative short of being [insert racial stereotype here] in regards to being cheap in the draft.

    He loves stockpiling those 5th and 6th rounders though... So unless Te'O falls that far...
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    Re: What's the chances of us landing Manti Teo in the draft?

    We absolutely have a shot at him.

    Dont'a Hightower was considered the best ILB prospect last year and he fell to the mid 20's. T'eo is arguably on the same level as Hightower, so I doubt a team reaches for him before pick 20. I'd be really surprised.

    If the Ravens are picking in the 20's, then I think they'll have a crack at him, but if (hopefully) they are picking in the 30's in round 1, then they may not.

    That said, I'm beginning to think that DT might be a bigger need or AS big of a need as ILB. Ngata is the only DT on the books right now who can generate any sort of pressure and he is doubled every other play. Art Jones is a rotational guy, McPhee is a situational pass rusher (who is hurt right now), Cody is a 2-down run stopper who plays with really terrible technique, Bryan Hall is an undersized project, and DeAngelo Tyson is still kind of up in the air.

    Other than Ngata, the Ravens don't have any other DT/5-technique DE that can shed blockers and get into the backfield. I mean, JJ Watt (granted, he is arguably the best DT/DE in the league right now) single-handedly changes the game with how he plays. If the Ravens can get an impact player like that across from Ngata, then things will be a lot easier to build off of.

    If I were Baltimore (Along with ILB's) I would be looking at these guys:
    Kawan Short, Purdue, 6'3" 310lbs
    Louis Nix, Notre Dame 6'4" 325lbs
    Margus Hunt, Southern Methodist, 6'7" 285lbs
    Sheldon Richardson, Missouri, 6'4" 290lbs
    Bennie Logan, LSU, 6'3" 290lbs
    Jon Jenkins, Georgia, 6'3" 355lbs

    Might be some interesting FA's as well. Not entirely sure who yet, but there definitely could be some interesting names out there.

    To me, taking someone like Nix (who has been a monster this year at NT and he is only 20 or 21 years old) in the bottom of round 1 and looking at someone like Alex Ogletree (Georgia), Gerald Hodges (Penn State), or CJ Mosely (Alabama) in rounds 2,3, and 4 would be the best value.
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    Re: What's the chances of us landing Manti Teo in the draft?

    It seems like black magic to me, but it seems like every year New England has a plethora of picks. I wish Ozzie would accumulate picks like that.

    Hell, how great would it have been to grab Chandler Jones and Hightower? Not that I'm disappointed in Upshaw, but that's a great draft NE just had.




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    Re: What's the chances of us landing Manti Teo in the draft?

    Quote Originally Posted by NCRAVEN View Post
    I am huge ND fan so I've watched him for years. He's a top 10 pick, IMO.

    Unless we trade, we won't stand a chance...
    I agree. Once he gets to the Combine he's going to shoot up like Von Miller did.
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    Re: What's the chances of us landing Manti Teo in the draft?

    Quote Originally Posted by wickedsolo View Post
    We absolutely have a shot at him.

    Dont'a Hightower was considered the best ILB prospect last year and he fell to the mid 20's. T'eo is arguably on the same level as Hightower, so I doubt a team reaches for him before pick 20. I'd be really surprised.

    If the Ravens are picking in the 20's, then I think they'll have a crack at him, but if (hopefully) they are picking in the 30's in round 1, then they may not.

    That said, I'm beginning to think that DT might be a bigger need or AS big of a need as ILB. Ngata is the only DT on the books right now who can generate any sort of pressure and he is doubled every other play. Art Jones is a rotational guy, McPhee is a situational pass rusher (who is hurt right now), Cody is a 2-down run stopper who plays with really terrible technique, Bryan Hall is an undersized project, and DeAngelo Tyson is still kind of up in the air.

    Other than Ngata, the Ravens don't have any other DT/5-technique DE that can shed blockers and get into the backfield. I mean, JJ Watt (granted, he is arguably the best DT/DE in the league right now) single-handedly changes the game with how he plays. If the Ravens can get an impact player like that across from Ngata, then things will be a lot easier to build off of.

    If I were Baltimore (Along with ILB's) I would be looking at these guys:
    Kawan Short, Purdue, 6'3" 310lbs
    Louis Nix, Notre Dame 6'4" 325lbs
    Margus Hunt, Southern Methodist, 6'7" 285lbs
    Sheldon Richardson, Missouri, 6'4" 290lbs
    Bennie Logan, LSU, 6'3" 290lbs
    Jon Jenkins, Georgia, 6'3" 355lbs

    Might be some interesting FA's as well. Not entirely sure who yet, but there definitely could be some interesting names out there.

    To me, taking someone like Nix (who has been a monster this year at NT and he is only 20 or 21 years old) in the bottom of round 1 and looking at someone like Alex Ogletree (Georgia), Gerald Hodges (Penn State), or CJ Mosely (Alabama) in rounds 2,3, and 4 would be the best value.
    I have to go ahead and disagree with you about comparing Teo to Hightower. To me Teo is better than Luke Kuechly already, because he drops back into coverage just as well as Kuechly did, but he can come up and meet RB's in a hole and smash the shit out of them just as well if not better than what Hightower can, plus Teo is not surrounded by the talent Hightower was at Alabama. Teo is a great fit in both a 3-4 and 4-3 scheme. Luke Kuechly went 8 overall to Carolina, but has surprisingly struggled this year after a strong start. I hope it doesn't happen because I really want him, but if he carries on playing this well, and if he has a strong combine, he's going in the top 5. So that means we could be looking for a 5 tech or a DT, in which case we'll just take the BPA, then hope to get a CJ Moseley in the second round. I really like John Jenkins btw, he reminds me of Vince Wilfolk with the way he's built, but he can move like Wilfolk too.




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    Re: What's the chances of us landing Manti Teo in the draft?

    Don't rule out another pass rusher either, we could always try moving Upshaw inside and get a guy who has a quick first step and can bring more pressure the opposite side to Suggs.




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    Re: What's the chances of us landing Manti Teo in the draft?

    That Ziggy Ansah guy, out of BYU, is starting to get a lot of hype. A real physical freak like JPP, might push his stock into the first round...




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    Re: What's the chances of us landing Manti Teo in the draft?

    Quote Originally Posted by leachisabeast View Post
    I have to go ahead and disagree with you about comparing Teo to Hightower. To me Teo is better than Luke Kuechly already, because he drops back into coverage just as well as Kuechly did, but he can come up and meet RB's in a hole and smash the shit out of them just as well if not better than what Hightower can, plus Teo is not surrounded by the talent Hightower was at Alabama. Teo is a great fit in both a 3-4 and 4-3 scheme. Luke Kuechly went 8 overall to Carolina, but has surprisingly struggled this year after a strong start. I hope it doesn't happen because I really want him, but if he carries on playing this well, and if he has a strong combine, he's going in the top 5. So that means we could be looking for a 5 tech or a DT, in which case we'll just take the BPA, then hope to get a CJ Moseley in the second round. I really like John Jenkins btw, he reminds me of Vince Wilfolk with the way he's built, but he can move like Wilfolk too.
    Good point about Kuechly.

    Kuechly shot up the boards after an outstanding combine. If T'eo can have a combine like that (which he certainly could) then I could absolutely see a team willing to spend a top 15 pick on him. He's a fantastic prospect, but I don't know if he can put up numbers like that and I think a lot of teams may only view him as a 3-4 ILB. We'll see. I'd love to have him in a Ravens uniform and honestly I think if they want him then they will have to trade up for him regardless.

    That said, I still think maybe going DT or 5-technique DE in round 1 and then looking at ILB and OL the next couple of rounds.

    Michael Mauti and Gerald Hodges are two LB's to keep an eye on. Both guys are at Penn State. Hodges reminds me of Navorro Bowman or Darryl Washington. He plays fast, he hits hard, he tackles well, and he has a ton of upside.
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    Re: What's the chances of us landing Manti Teo in the draft?

    Quote Originally Posted by Lee Van Cleef View Post
    That Ziggy Ansah guy, out of BYU, is starting to get a lot of hype. A real physical freak like JPP, might push his stock into the first round...
    I've heard that as well.

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    Re: What's the chances of us landing Manti Teo in the draft?

    I wonder if it might not behove the Ravens to build up a rotation of DEs/OLBs to keep an effective passrush going. The lack of passrush has been an issue for years now and is really being exposed by the inability to get off the field on third down. If something can be done about that it could make a big difference to our fortunes on the road.




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    Re: What's the chances of us landing Manti Teo in the draft?

    Quote Originally Posted by Lee Van Cleef View Post
    I wonder if it might not behove the Ravens to build up a rotation of DEs/OLBs to keep an effective passrush going. The lack of passrush has been an issue for years now and is really being exposed by the inability to get off the field on third down. If something can be done about that it could make a big difference to our fortunes on the road.
    That's what the Giants do.

    They really don't have anyone outside of Suggs who can consistently rush the passer.
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    Re: What's the chances of us landing Manti Teo in the draft?

    Quote Originally Posted by wickedsolo View Post
    That's what the Giants do.

    They really don't have anyone outside of Suggs who can consistently rush the passer.
    Last year the Ravens did well with Kruger and McPhee rotating in on passing downs (along with a healthy Suggs). Perhaps these two guys are better suited to be "specialists" than full-time players (?) ... Bc




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    Re: What's the chances of us landing Manti Teo in the draft?

    Quote Originally Posted by BcRaven View Post
    Last year the Ravens did well with Kruger and McPhee rotating in on passing downs (along with a healthy Suggs). Perhaps these two guys are better suited to be "specialists" than full-time players (?) ... Bc
    I would certainly say so.

    Problem is they don't really have anyone else who can be an every down OLB other than Suggs. I guess Upshaw is getting there.
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    Re: What's the chances of us landing Manti Teo in the draft?

    Quote Originally Posted by wickedsolo View Post
    I would certainly say so.

    Problem is they don't really have anyone else who can be an every down OLB other than Suggs. I guess Upshaw is getting there.
    May as well develop Upshaw into that guy, he's already a good run defender, and has learned the playbook really quickly for a rookie.




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