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10-22-2012, 10:15 AM #61Veteran Poster
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Re: Mcnair couldn't win in the rain and Flacco can't win on the road...
Leaving aside the argument about getting wins despite struggling, the problem with this number is that it is simply a result of Joe playing many more road games than other QBs over that time.
Looking at winning percentage on the road (and at home) since 2008 (through yesterday):
Flacco: Home: 32-5 (.865) , Road: 22-21 (.512).......difference: (.353)
Eli : Home: 24-14 (.632), Road: 23-14 (.622).......difference: (.010)
Peyton: Home: 23-7 (.767) , Road: 18-10 (.643).......difference: (.124)
Brady : Home: 28-4 (.875) , Road: 16-12 (.571).......difference: (.304)
BigBen: Home: 28-7 (.800) , Road: 20-14 (.588).......difference: (.212)
Brees : Home: 29-9 (.763) , Road: 21-15 (.583).......difference: (.180)
Rodgers: Home: 26-9 (.743) , Road: 22-17 (.564).......difference: (.179)
Rivers : Home: 24-13 (.649) , Road: 18-18 (.500).......difference: (.149)
Romo : Home: 18-11 (.621) , Road: 14-16 (.467)......difference: (.154)
Flacco has the largest drop off on the road of anyone, though Brady is somewhat close. Flacco has the 3rd lowest road win percentage, ahead of only Romo and Rivers who simply win less games overall (home and away) on their respective, worse teams.
While I agree that the statement that "Flacco can't win on the road" is hyperbole to the point of silliness, I completely disagree with the premise that Flacco is some kind of Road Warrior; I also think that stat about 2nd most total road wins is misleading when looking at road efficiency.
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10-22-2012, 10:18 AM #62Hall Of Fame Poster
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10-22-2012, 10:18 AM #63
The qualifiers from this post:
"Usually" "should" "unlikely" "usual"
Juss sayin'
If Rice screwed up his assignment, and Joe saw him go to the strong side instead of the weak, why would he completely ignore the weakside rusher? If he adjusted so that rice would block the weak side, surely seeing Rice go to the strong side would alert him that there's a free rusher coming. That's why Rice was told to block weak side to begin with. This is all "if" but the point still remains.
It just seems more like Joe guessed wrong.“Great minds discuss ideas. Average minds discuss events. Small minds discuss people.”
–Eleanor Roosevelt
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10-22-2012, 10:20 AM #64
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10-22-2012, 10:21 AM #65Hall Of Fame Poster
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Re: Mcnair couldn't win in the rain and Flacco can't win on the road...
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10-22-2012, 10:22 AM #66Regular 1st Stringer
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Re: Mcnair couldn't win in the rain and Flacco can't win on the road...
"Wins" are a silly metric to rate an individual player by in the first place. Especially "road playoff wins".
The good teams don't even have road playoff games to start with.
Flaccos numbers are certainly inflated from a lot more appearances on wild card weekend than most of the good QBs make. That "wins" are really the only stat he can hang his hat on don't speak strongly for him being anything more than a mediocre QB, especially since he has never won an AFCCG or the Superbowl.
Not saying that is the end all be all either, but if people want to say wins are all that matters then winning the big games should weigh more heavily. Its still a stupid metric to rate a QB on.
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10-22-2012, 10:25 AM #67Hall Of Fame Poster
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10-22-2012, 10:27 AM #68Hall Of Fame Poster
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10-22-2012, 10:30 AM #69Veteran Poster
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Re: Mcnair couldn't win in the rain and Flacco can't win on the road...
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10-22-2012, 10:30 AM #70Veteran Poster
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Re: Mcnair couldn't win in the rain and Flacco can't win on the road...
I just ran through PFR's results pages for each guy for the last 4 years, using only the games they played (other than Flacco and Eli, everyone else missed at least a couple games, and obviously there were a full seasons missed by Brady and Peyton)
I do have Joe's road stats and QB rating per season, but haven't done the home stats yet. The road stats are (from 2008 on top, down to 3 games of 2012 so far at bottom, totals per season to right, career total at very bottom):
COMP ATT YDS TD INT
16 31 192 1 0
28 38 241 0 3
17 23 232 1 0
17 29 248 2 0
15 23 185 2 0
20 33 164 1 2
19 29 280 2 0
17 25 149 1 0
9 23 135 0 0
11 22 161 1 0
13 30 141 0 3
182 306 2128 11 8 = 81.7 11 gms
17 26 190 2 1
27 47 264 2 1
28 43 385 2 0
18 32 195 0 2
13 18 155 0 0
15 36 137 1 3
13 25 166 2 1
11 19 102 0 0
4 10 34 0 1
20 35 189 0 2
166 291 1817 9 11 = 70.2 10 gms
20 38 248 0 1
17 39 154 1 4
24 37 256 1 1
27 35 285 2 0
22 34 215 3 1
24 33 301 1 0
22 33 235 2 0
12 19 102 2 1
25 34 265 2 0
16 30 125 1 1
209 332 2186 15 9 = 85.7 10 gms
15 32 197 1 2
27 48 389 3 0
21 38 137 1 1
28 47 300 1 0
29 52 255 1 1
10 23 158 0 0
23 34 226 2 2
15 19 130 1 0
22 36 306 2 1
190 329 2098 12 7 = 80.1 9 gms
22 42 232 1 1
13 27 187 0 1
21 43 147 1 2
56 112 566 2 4 = 55.9 3 gms
803 1370 8795 49 39 = 77.7 43 games
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10-22-2012, 10:30 AM #71Regular 1st Stringer
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Re: Mcnair couldn't win in the rain and Flacco can't win on the road...
No I'm just saying people who tout Joe's playoff record as proof of him being the second coming are a bit misguided. Joe is a decent QB. He is good enough to help his team get to the playoffs. Once there he has been shakey and the team has bailed him out more than once. He has some playoff wins, but not against the stronger teams, and the wins weren't due to any kind of superhuman performance by Flacco.
Too many people want to grasp at anything they can to say Joe is a great QB when in reality he has been a little above average.
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10-22-2012, 10:47 AM #72Hall Of Fame Poster
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Re: Mcnair couldn't win in the rain and Flacco can't win on the road...
I get it but at the end of the day like it or not wins is the biggest parameter in evaluating all QBs. All other stats can be used to supplement the arguement for or against the QB in question. Joe is certainly not elite but definately a notch below wherever that falls. I'll say this much. He's been the greatest QB we've had thus far in our relatively short history so if we're grasping at straws it's because we are starving to cheer for a potentially elite QB.
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