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    Watching other teams highlights and games, I see their receivers get separation constantly. And I mean 2, 3, 4 yards between them and the defender.

    With our receivers it's usually 2, 3, 4 inches. If even that much.

    Is the talent & skill still to blame?
    Or is it more the design & scheme? (Which is what I suspect)




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    Re: Separation

    Quote Originally Posted by PerpetuallyBored74 View Post
    Watching other teams highlights and games, I see their receivers get separation constantly. And I mean 2, 3, 4 yards between them and the defender.

    With our receivers it's usually 2, 3, 4 inches. If even that much.

    Is the talent & skill still to blame?
    Or is it more the design & scheme? (Which is what I suspect)
    It has got to be scheme. It use to be that we did not have enough speed. Well with Jones and Smith that is not the case anymore. The Ravens run slow developing plays with a very weak oline. The only quick plays the Ravens run are outs and the Texans were all over them today.




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    Re: Separation

    Quote Originally Posted by PerpetuallyBored74 View Post
    Watching other teams highlights and games, I see their receivers get separation constantly. And I mean 2, 3, 4 yards between them and the defender.

    With our receivers it's usually 2, 3, 4 inches. If even that much.

    Is the talent & skill still to blame?
    Or is it more the design & scheme? (Which is what I suspect)
    I think it's mainly scheme. These little out routes and slants will only work for so long. In all fairness to Cam, our o-line can't block for long enough to make anything happen down field so I guess we are stuck with that. If we could run the ball it would help too. Teams don't have to commit any safeties to our running game so they can just sit back and play coverage while still generating pressure on the QB. More than a few times over the last 3 weeks teams have been rushing 3 and at least hitting Joe, sometimes sacking him.




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    It is scheme. Always has been

    Greg Cossell said last year that Cam's passing philosophy is one of the most glaring reasons why the Ravens offense cant beat man coverage.

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    Re: Separation

    Quote Originally Posted by srobert96 View Post
    It has got to be scheme. It use to be that we did not have enough speed. Well with Jones and Smith that is not the case anymore. The Ravens run slow developing plays with a very weak oline. The only quick plays the Ravens run are outs and the Texans were all over them today.
    Bingo. A big complaint of mine for years. Classic example today...the safety play. You can't stand in the EZ as if you were on the 50.


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    We all know why, Cam is playing right into the defensive unit strength, we don't have an Oline to block long enough for these slow developing routes, it works well against teams that have no rush, but against the teams like houston it just doesn't work..Dean Pees is another dummy playing 6'2 Dbs 15yrds off the ball, and his same middle backer blitz thats gets picked up by the guard right at the LOS, no stunts, no overloads, just the both dumb ass coordinators tryna fit a round peg in a square hole.




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    Re: Separation

    Those Houston DB's also really enjoyed getting handfuls of Raven receiver jerseys too. That can sometimes reduce separation.




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    How long are people going to use that same bs excuse. Its not the wr, Its cam and his lack of play design. As long as cam stays the Oc, things will never change... Oh by the way... Run the damn ball, Flacco is not Rogers




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    Re: Separation

    Quote Originally Posted by Ravensghost View Post
    How long are people going to use that same bs excuse. Its not the wr, Its cam and his lack of play design. As long as cam stays the Oc, things will never change... Oh by the way... Run the damn ball, Flacco is not Rogers
    I agree. I'm done with Cam at this point. You play a team known for their pass rush and who is missing their star MLB, and you insist on running long developing routes. It was just a horrible gameplan and execution.




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    Most of the Ravens pass plays seem to involve running to the first down marker, turning around, and falling down.

    I used to think they only did that because Derrick Mason was old and slow. But they are still doing it with him gone.




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    Re: Separation

    It's pretty obvious.

    A few years ago the issue was they only had Derrick Mason and Todd Heap. Then they traded for Boldin because they needed someone who could work the middle of the field and make the receiving unit more physical. He comes here and he has two of the least productive seasons in his career. Then they needed speed. So, they traded for Lee Evans and drafted Torrey Smith. Then they needed height and speed, so they sign Jacoby Jones.

    So...to wrap all of this up...

    They needed a physical possession receiver - check.
    They needed speed - check.
    They needed height with speed - check.


    Hmmm...


    I'm just saying guys. I know (we all know) that Cam is capable of calling a good game...and while the Ravens don't have the talents of some of the top offenses in the NFL, they're still a talented group when used properly.
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    Killa Cam Cameron, he never fails, outside of that Bengals game, the offense hasn't been all that great especially on the road, we have played into opposing defenses hands time and time again.




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    Re: Separation

    Cam Cameron's Amazing Recipe for Offensive Ineptness.

    1. Slow developing patterns with a team that comes after the QB relentlessly - check
    2. Offensive line that cant hold blocks long enough to allow patterns to develop - check
    3 Keep all-pro running back in to block so slow developing patterns can still not develop
    4. Rinse and Repeat.

    Its really that simple. Cams offensive plays just do not fit the personnel and he still refuses to change it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ravenous1 View Post
    Cam Cameron's Amazing Recipe for Offensive Ineptness.

    1. Slow developing patterns with a team that comes after the QB relentlessly - check
    2. Offensive line that cant hold blocks long enough to allow patterns to develop - check
    3 Keep all-pro running back in to block so slow developing patterns can still not develop
    4. Rinse and Repeat.

    Its really that simple. Cams offensive plays just do not fit the personnel and he still refuses to change it.
    You forgot his favorite play. Play action pass with only one receiver running and he is running a deep route down the sidelines.




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    Re: Separation

    Maybe one of you guys can help me: what pass plays WILL work with an O line that . . . well I can't think of the right word: impotent?? seive? pathetic? embarrassment? incompetent? How about, our O line STINKS?

    C: way past his "sell by" date. Backup (do we have one?) NOT ready to step in
    RG: SOLID
    RT: (Injured) rookie who has shown promise AND room for improvement. Backup: LOL. ALWAYS hurt.
    LG: WAY over the hill vet. Backup:a 6th round, small college tackle (?) WTF!
    LT: great movie, mediocre (on a good day) player. Backup: unmotivated fat guy who live at 1 Harbaugh Doghouse Lane..

    These guys are NOT above average running OR passing.

    I do NOT like Cam. But his offense is built on a foundation built of quicksand and whipped cream. What do you do: Run Ray Rice into a brick wall or have Joe Flacco beaten into hamburg as he tries to pass?




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