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    Re: When was the last time...

    Quote Originally Posted by Beau Petard View Post
    First, I have to disagree with your comment about setting up punts v. scoring points. When you're inside your own 10 yard line, I tend to believe that the idea is to get the ball out into an area of the field where the offense has less risk and more flexibility, not that you're thinking, "This could go all the way."

    But an honest question (and I assume we're all referring to the same play) - if it's 3rd and "only" 6 at your own 7 yard line, and you call a pass play and "you HAVE TO BLOCK GUYS", and "You ESPECIALLY have to block the blindside rusher", and the Ravens' blocking on that play's offense looked like a Chinese fire drill (and my sincere apolgies to anyone who may be offended by that term), and to that point Rice had rushed for 8, 2 and 17 yards while Veach had rushed for 6, why would you not call a Rice carry behind Veach blocking to your strongest side, hoping to get a 1st down or at least give the punter some additional room?

    Forgot to add - if it's 3rd and 6, why call a passplay with what seemed to be a slow developing route?
    Wrong on all counts. I was actually able to find some data on historical team play-calling tendencies at their own goal line: see

    From that article, teams run the ball on 3rd down inside their own 3 only 35% of the time! I don't know about what they do at their own 7, but at their own 3 they pass the ball 65% of the time (and, by the way, passing is a better option than running on all 3 downs.) The percentage of runs is sure to be lower at the 7 rather than the 3. So the point that "teams prefer to punt rather than try for the 1st down" is objectively wrong.

    Second of all, the pass play was not a terribly bad call. 3 man bunch right, with Pitta on the line, Jones outside, and Boldin behind. Boldin is running a short hook to the outside, Pitta and Jones are also running short sideline routes. Pitta and Jones both had enough yardage for the 1st, Boldin had some space to take a short pass for YAC. Overall, a good play for the down and distance.

    The Ravens kept Rice in to block, so they had 6 blockers facing 7 men on the line. 6 rushers come, so it should be straight man blocking the whole way. However, instead of Rice blocking left on Barwin, he cuts all the way across the field to help out with Brooks Reed on the right. If he would have stayed left the play would have worked.

  2. #26
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    The Greater Metropolitan Granite Falls, NC Area

    Re: When was the last time...

    Not sure what you mean by "Wrong on all counts..." since I only had one disagreement with you, the rest are honest questions.
    You said that "You don't play offense to set up your punt, you play offense to score points", and I disagreed. In fact, the 1st sentence by the author at your link says, "It's a common practice in the NFL that when your team is backed up against your own goal line, you run the ball to "give some breathing room."" Other than the tongue-in-cheek comment at the end of the article, I stand by my original post on getting the LOS away from the goal line as I stated.

    Also, I apologize that I'm not more familiar with that site. The other thing I would challenge is the concept called "efficiency". Do they mean that it is a positive gain, or is there another part to this? In other words, does being efficient mean th eteam gained a first down, or just positive yard(s), or other?


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