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    Re: Oz thinks Ray will be back this year



    Quote Originally Posted by bmorecareful View Post
    If you think Ray Lewis was having a good year before he got hurt, you weren't watching the games.

    I firmly defended Ray Lewis last year and pointed out how he was still playing at a high level--against both run and pass. He was shutting down the run between the tackles, holding QBs to a fairly low rating and YPA into his coverage, and just generally playing as one of the best ILBs in the league.

    But that was last year. In 2012, based on the 6 games he played, #52 had fallen off a cliff in every facet off his game. Some guys that have been great for a long time get a little worse year after year, and some guys that have been great for a long time suddenly aren't great anymore.

    It looks like the latter was the case for Ray this year. He's not alone--have you watched London Fletcher this year? He, too, is having an awful year and looking like he's fallen off the cliff.
    I may be wrong, but I think that Ray's performance this year (or lack thereof) has had a lot to do with defensive line play that's been significantly worse than it was last year. Baltimore currently sits 20th on CHFF's defensive hog index--I don't remember specifically where they ranked last year, but I'm pretty sure it was top three. FO has the Raven D-line at #19 against the run and #24 against passing attempts this year, where last year those numbers were 13 and 2, respectively.

    No argument that Lewis' play has declined... but a drop in unit performance like that doesn't indicate to me a problem with just one player. I think the Ravens really miss Redding, Suggs, and are not getting anything like the performance expected from Cody, Kemoeatu, Jones... or maybe everything just hasn't gelled yet. Or maybe Pees isn't doing a great job scheming with what he's got. Anyway, my .02...




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    Re: Oz thinks Ray will be back this year

    Quote Originally Posted by HoustonRaven View Post
    So leading the team in tackles (again) and being in the top 5 in the league in tackles (again) is falling "off a cliff in every facet off [sic] his game"? And that too is an awful year? Stunning.

    I really do wonder what sport some folks watch.
    this needs a like button, I wonder where is this young stud Middlebacker they keep refering to, because what we have now outside of Suggs and the potential of Upshaw is hot garbage.




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    Re: Oz thinks Ray will be back this year

    Quote Originally Posted by HoustonRaven View Post
    So leading the team in tackles (again) and being in the top 5 in the league in tackles (again) is falling "off a cliff in every facet off [sic] his game"? And that too is an awful year? Stunning.

    I really do wonder what sport some folks watch.
    Tackles are not a stat indicative of a high level of play. Yes, Ray is making a lot of tackles--and most of them are because teams are running right at him for 5-8 yards a pop. Sure, he's going to bring the RB down from behind, but the damage is already done. He's also missed quite a few tackles that he probably makes even last year.

    The league's top tacklers each year are every-down ILBs. That doesn't mean all of those guys are playing at a high level, although many of them are. It just means they have a lot of chances to make tackles.




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    Re: Oz thinks Ray will be back this year

    Is there anyone who could bring more energy, more motivation, more work to come back?

    No argument from me. The fly in the ointment is Ray's age, which will act to slow the healing process.

    Because its Ray, were willing to take this chance. ... If we were going to bet on one player coming back, we were betting on Ray Lewis.

    No argument here either. At first thought I was concerned that some other significant Raven might come down with a 6-week injury as early as next Sunday...but in that case you carry that player on the 53-man roster & you go forward one player short of those available for activation on game day. It's not like you'd have to play a man down...

    (I can almost hear Ray ringing the changes on his 2000-season "I have to get to Tampa" speech--only this time it will be, "We have to get to New Orleans--I will be with you all the way, just not on the field--you all will have to get us there on the field--but when we get there I will be on the field with you!")




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    Re: Oz thinks Ray will be back this year

    Quote Originally Posted by bmorecareful View Post
    Tackles are not a stat indicative of a high level of play. Yes, Ray is making a lot of tackles--and most of them are because teams are running right at him for 5-8 yards a pop. Sure, he's going to bring the RB down from behind, but the damage is already done. He's also missed quite a few tackles that he probably makes even last year.

    The league's top tacklers each year are every-down ILBs. That doesn't mean all of those guys are playing at a high level, although many of them are. It just means they have a lot of chances to make tackles.
    wah??? Teams are not running RIGHT at Lewis, they are attacking the edges because we don't have one LB that can set the edge right now, to push those runs back to the inside where Ray can clean them up.Teams have been pressing our edges and sealing those edges for either off tackle runs or outside runs. I agree Ray has declined in some apsects of his game but I would take him over many LBs in this league. If Patrick Willis had this group of LBs around him he would look bad too.




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    Re: Oz thinks Ray will be back this year

    Quote Originally Posted by Jsmoove View Post
    this needs a like button, I wonder where is this young stud Middlebacker they keep refering to, because what we have now outside of Suggs and the potential of Upshaw is hot garbage.
    The fact that there is nobody behind Ray Lewis playing at a high level is completely irrelevant to the evaluation of Ray's play. No, we do not have an All-Pro sitting behind him, certainly not anybody he would have been BENCHED for, but that's not at issue here at all.

    Ray's individual performance is appreciably, perceptibly worse than it was last year--he's not getting off blocks even from FBs and pulling guards like he used to, missing more tackles, getting run over, not getting depth in his pass drops, getting turned around in his zones, etc. That doesn't mean he's BAD (just not great), and it doesn't mean he wouldn't have improved as the year went on--he very well might have. But that's irrelevant now.

    That doesn't mean I'm excusing the defense, the main culprit for our poor performance on defense is not Ray. It's our defensive line, which has played like one of the worst in the league thus far.




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    Re: Oz thinks Ray will be back this year

    Quote Originally Posted by bmorecareful View Post
    The fact that there is nobody behind Ray Lewis playing at a high level is completely irrelevant to the evaluation of Ray's play. No, we do not have an All-Pro sitting behind him, certainly not anybody he would have been BENCHED for, but that's not at issue here at all.

    Ray's individual performance is appreciably, perceptibly worse than it was last year--he's not getting off blocks even from FBs and pulling guards like he used to, missing more tackles, getting run over, not getting depth in his pass drops, getting turned around in his zones, etc. That doesn't mean he's BAD (just not great), and it doesn't mean he wouldn't have improved as the year went on--he very well might have. But that's irrelevant now.

    That doesn't mean I'm excusing the defense, the main culprit for our poor performance on defense is not Ray. It's our defensive line, which has played like one of the worst in the league thus far.
    That right there is more so the issue than Ray's play, like I said, he has declined in some aspects even last year and the year before that, age is catching up with Ray, but his production has not just dropped like a free fall.




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    Re: Oz thinks Ray will be back this year

    NFL Total Access Willie McGinest & Shaun O'Hara say we are better off without Ray... "his body is telling him its time.... you see it on the film...so we are not sayin' nothing a lot of people dont see.. just afraid to say"

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    Re: Oz thinks Ray will be back this year

    Look I would be all for "we are better off without Ray" campaign, but WHO on this roster we have waiting to take that throne who can even remotely play like Ray Lewis?




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    Quote Originally Posted by bmorecareful View Post
    Tackles are not a stat indicative of a high level of play. Yes, Ray is making a lot of tackles--and most of them are because teams are running right at him for 5-8 yards a pop. Sure, he's going to bring the RB down from behind, but the damage is already done. He's also missed quite a few tackles that he probably makes even last year.

    The league's top tacklers each year are every-down ILBs. That doesn't mean all of those guys are playing at a high level, although many of them are. It just means they have a lot of chances to make tackles.
    Wow. Really?!

    If tackles are not an accurate measure of an ILB's talent / value, please tell me what is?
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    Re: Oz thinks Ray will be back this year

    Guys are forgetting we lost probably one of the best edge setters in all of football with JJ, and Redding playing DE solidified those edges, losing Suggs also further exposed the LACK of experience we have setting edges on run plays. Teams are not running up the gut on us they are attacking the edges and sealing them off and theres either the cutback or go right around the tackle. Ray is now tryna clean up the edges coming from the middle or having to take on gaurds and FB to stop those cutbacks, I don't care who you are if Patrick Willis was on this defense he would like a hott mess too trying to take care of cutback lanes that have are so hug you can drive Toyota Tundra pulling a boat through it. Lemme say again, Ray has declined but not a total fall off the cliff as some of yall tryna put it, Ray is still a top 10 if not top 5 Middle backer in the league, decline or not he's still one of the best. Give Ray the same defense from last year around him or better, we wouldn't even be having this discussion.




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    Quote Originally Posted by RavenMadness View Post
    http://www.baltimoreravens.com/news/...2-0712ce15c757

    Whatta a beast!

    Film shows Lewis played five snaps after tearing his right triceps. He made what could be his final tackle one-handed, knowing he had a serious injury.

    Agree with you HoustonRaven....glad our GM is runnin the show!
    I hope somebody lays out that bitch Cowboys RB who was talking trash after Ray tackled him with one arm on his last play.




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    Re: Oz thinks Ray will be back this year

    Well, people can't call out Flacco much this year so I guess Ray is the low man on the team this year. Yea,Ray is the reason the defense is stinking this year. Yea,Ray is the reason for all that is wrong on the defense. Yea, Ray needs to go(being hurt and playing 5 snaps, tackling with one arm on his last play on the field)the man does not belong on the field anymore. LOL
    Ray made the Ravens become one of the best defenses in the NFL for many years. Ray will call it quits when he wants to, arm chair footballexperts will just have to wait and see what happens. Damn that Flacco and Cam for winning 5 games so far, Ray really doesn't need any additional aggravation. Get well Ray, come back when you are ready.




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