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    Re: Ellerbe listed as starter next to McClain inside



    Quote Originally Posted by moose10101 View Post
    The real question, as asked, is "why has nobody" contacted him, not just the Ravens. Or maybe teams did, and his price was too high, or he wants to take a year off to travel or write a book.
    Found this over at kffl:
    There are concerns about his age, durability and the fact he is a liability in coverage. Henderson is pretty much limited to being a two-down run stuffer.
    That was back in July. Has he kept himself in playing shape since then? Would he be any better than Ellerbe or McLellan in this defense? Answer "yes" to both & between the local connection & never playing in a Super Bowl, things might get interesting. (Though I have to admit, if anyone had contacted him it would probably be all over the sports sites by now.l)




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    Re: Ellerbe listed as starter next to McClain inside

    McClellen is better on the inside but Kruger is not good at setting the edge and McCellen is so its better to leave him there with Kruger coming in as the pass rusher. Upshaw is set on the other side and will probably stay there when suggs gets back. Then Do you move McClellen inside? my guess is that if the run defense improves they leave it as it is and McClellen is a back up if not he takes McClains spot.




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    Re: Ellerbe listed as starter next to McClain inside

    Quote Originally Posted by Benny8444 View Post
    McClellen is better on the inside but Kruger is not good at setting the edge and McCellen is so its better to leave him there with Kruger coming in as the pass rusher. Upshaw is set on the other side and will probably stay there when suggs gets back. Then Do you move McClellen inside? my guess is that if the run defense improves they leave it as it is and McClellen is a back up if not he takes McClains spot.
    Think a lot of that depends on what kind of load Suggs can handle when he gets back.
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    Re: Ellerbe listed as starter next to McClain inside

    Quote Originally Posted by houstonravensfan View Post
    Ray's position filled by a UDFA who played DE in college. Unsettling.

    Oz is either a genius or something else entirely. Hoping we get a game-changer stud LB in the draft.
    Mclain (5th year) and Ellerbe (4th year) have both been in this system playing right alongside Ray Lewis for years. You make it sound like Ozzie just grabbed these guys off the waiver wire. Nobody had ever heard of Bart Scott (undrafted) before 2005, when he filled in for the injured Ray Lewis. Scott even went to the probowl that year.


    Continuity goes a long way, and we have that with both of those guys. Good job Ozzie. Next man up. They will bring athleticism to the field that 37 year old Ray didn't have anymore.

    Now if Joe Flacco goes down and we have to roll out the Tyrod Taylor show, then i might get a little mad at Oz.




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    Re: Ellerbe listed as starter next to McClain inside

    Quote Originally Posted by Paintballguy View Post
    I agree. I think Foster doesn't go over 100 Sunday. Call me crazy, but I think this team will have something to prove.
    Well I was right on holding Foster under 100. That's about it.

    Ellerbe had a good game today I think.




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    Re: Ellerbe listed as starter next to McClain inside

    Yeah, Ellerbe looked good enough to start. Besides Sizzle and Ngata, Ellerbe looked the best on our defense. Pees is still asking too much from our LBs in coverage, but Ellerbe covered as well as anyone could expect, and in general he looked good against the run.




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    Re: Ellerbe listed as starter next to McClain inside

    Im sorry our LB corp outside of suggs right now sucks!!




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    Re: Ellerbe listed as starter next to McClain inside

    Quote Originally Posted by ballhawk View Post
    Mclain (5th year) and Ellerbe (4th year) have both been in this system playing right alongside Ray Lewis for years. You make it sound like Ozzie just grabbed these guys off the waiver wire. Nobody had ever heard of Bart Scott (undrafted) before 2005, when he filled in for the injured Ray Lewis. Scott even went to the probowl that year.


    Continuity goes a long way, and we have that with both of those guys. Good job Ozzie. Next man up. They will bring athleticism to the field that 37 year old Ray didn't have anymore.

    Now if Joe Flacco goes down and we have to roll out the Tyrod Taylor show, then i might get a little mad at Oz.
    Bart Scott made the pro bowl in 2006...when we had the 2nd best defense in our history.

    Frankly though, I don't think either guy measures up to Scott seeing as we have had to use so many people to replace Scott...a guy who many continue to ridicule as if he's been a bust since moving on to New York.

    Quote Originally Posted by Paintballguy View Post
    Well I was right on holding Foster under 100. That's about it.

    Ellerbe had a good game today I think.
    Ellerbe did have a good game...I think he is showing a lot of the fire and passion that we've wanted to see since his rookie year.

    Where the hell was McClain though?
    Although Walsh's system of offense can compensate for lack of talent; however, defense is a different story. According to Walsh, talent on defense was essential and could not be compensated for. What did Walsh do in 1981? He acquired physical and talented players on defense.




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    Re: Ellerbe listed as starter next to McClain inside

    Hopefully Upshaw picks it up but honestly I wouldn't be too upset if the team dumped the rest of them next year. No Bart Scotts, JJs or ADs in this group
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    Re: Ellerbe listed as starter next to McClain inside

    Quote Originally Posted by Raveninwoodlawn View Post

    Where the hell was McClain though?
    McClain has been very bad this year. Profootballfocus had him ranked 81 out of 91 linebackers in run stop percentage.




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    Re: Ellerbe listed as starter next to McClain inside

    Agree with Gota, outside of upshaw the rest can beat it.




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    Re: Ellerbe listed as starter next to McClain inside

    Quote Originally Posted by Paintballguy View Post
    McClain has been very bad this year. Profootballfocus had him ranked 81 out of 91 linebackers in run stop percentage.
    What a mess our ILB group is...
    Although Walsh's system of offense can compensate for lack of talent; however, defense is a different story. According to Walsh, talent on defense was essential and could not be compensated for. What did Walsh do in 1981? He acquired physical and talented players on defense.




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    Re: Ellerbe listed as starter next to McClain inside

    How about #50? Seem to be strong on the edges. Not bad. Could he start with Suggs on the field?




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    Re: Ellerbe listed as starter next to McClain inside

    Ellerbe's not going anywhere and has stepped up his game dramatically becoming the best blitzing backer and cover backer (for what its worth) on the team, he's finally living up to the potential he showed a couple years ago. McClain can kick rocks.




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    Re: Ellerbe listed as starter next to McClain inside

    I honestly think it's in the Ravens best interests for Upshaw to become the long term starter at the Sam OLB position. He is pretty much Jarret Johnson with better ability as a pass rusher, so the Ravens didn't miss a beat replacing JJ (from what I've seen of him so far anyway). I keep saying that McClellan is part of the answer at ILB, because he is such a good run defender, but I still strongly believe in investing a high draft pick into a ILB in 2013.

    The D line needs some more pieces too, but I'm pretty sure you can fix this defense in an offseason, we have the pieces, it's just bringing in some new faces and getting rid of the ineffective ones. The offense may suffer however.




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