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  1. #16

    Re: Some stats at the quarter pole....dissecting what they mean



    I think we will have a top 5 scoring defense in the end. Vick had a very good accuracy game and Brady is a beast. Cincinnati has an explosive o and the browns appear to have a lot of potential on o.
    Scoring is up across the board, but I think the ravens have top 5 talent on defense and will be there when Suggs returns and the schede balances out a bit. KC should help bring the defensive numbers down a bit, and other defenses ranked above us will get lit up as well.







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    Quote Originally Posted by Gatorman82 View Post
    When you consider that the Ravens defense is tied for 13th in the NFL with allowing 1st downs on only 35% of opponents' 3rd down attempts, the Ravens defense isn't really having that much trouble getting off the field.
    Quote Originally Posted by pslholder96 View Post
    Hmmm..just looked up our 3rd down defensive rankings, we are tied for 13th in the league at 35% and we've faced 60 third down attempts which is tied for 3rd most in the league. We are just not getting off the field when we need to
    Im not commenting either way, but its absolutely hilarious to me that back to back posts referenced the exact same stats and used them to support opposite conclusions. Just goes to show you can use statistics to argue anything you want sometimes




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    Quote Originally Posted by NjRavensFan View Post
    Im not commenting either way, but its absolutely hilarious to me that back to back posts referenced the exact same stats and used them to support opposite conclusions. Just goes to show you can use statistics to argue anything you want sometimes
    Not really.

    The first statement is accurate the second one is not.

    For the second statement to be accurate, we would have to be about 23 or worse rank wise. Then we could say we have a "problem", that would be in the bottom 1/3 of the league.

    13th is not a "problem" or anything to show a negative conclusion in the least bit.




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    Re: Some stats at the quarter pole....dissecting what they mean

    giving up lots of pass yards usually results in picks. Ravens have 4 which is tied for 13th in the league (5 teams have that many)

    http://espn.go.com/nfl/statistics/te.../interceptions

    hopefully more picks down the road.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sailorsam View Post
    giving up lots of pass yards usually results in picks. Ravens have 4 which is tied for 13th in the league (5 teams have that many)

    http://espn.go.com/nfl/statistics/te.../interceptions

    hopefully more picks down the road.
    And if Cary Williams could turn around & play the ball, we could be much higher...




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    Re: Some stats at the quarter pole....dissecting what they mean

    Great research LukeDaniel.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LukeDaniel View Post
    So, this stat kinda sums up the entire compilation of these stats. The Ravens defensive "problems" have been a byproduct of one thing, an inability to get off the football field.
    The problem with "bend but don't break" defenses is that they tend to break at the worst possible time, e.g. a playoff game against a top 5 offense. The defense can't get off the field, they give up a bunch of points, and when they need a stop in the 4th quarter, they're too gassed to make it happen.




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    Re: Some stats at the quarter pole....dissecting what they mean

    Quote Originally Posted by moose10101 View Post
    The problem with "bend but don't break" defenses is that they tend to break at the worst possible time, e.g. a playoff game against a top 5 offense. The defense can't get off the field, they give up a bunch of points, and when they need a stop in the 4th quarter, they're too gassed to make it happen.
    imagine this "bend or don't break" defense against Manning in Denver with the thin air. Pressure from the front 4 has to get much better. We have 3 beasts up front btween Ngata, McPhee and Cody/Kemateu, they should be able to get more pressure. Until that changes, I don't see too much changing on the D's rankings with yards given up and getting off the field. Also, 6 rushing TD's in the first 4 games is not very Raven's D-like.....that needs to tighten up too.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RavenousD View Post
    imagine this "bend or don't break" defense against Manning in Denver with the thin air. Pressure from the front 4 has to get much better. We have 3 beasts up front btween Ngata, McPhee and Cody/Kemateu, they should be able to get more pressure. Until that changes, I don't see too much changing on the D's rankings with yards given up and getting off the field. Also, 6 rushing TD's in the first 4 games is not very Raven's D-like.....that needs to tighten up too.
    Those "beasts" main job isn't to get to the QB, that is the job of the OLB's/other blitzers off edge or up middle. The Dline responsibilities are more geared towards stopping the run, not getting sacks. They of course can push the pocket but again, getting to the QB is just icing on the cake referring to those guys you mentioned.

    The bottom line is we are sending heavy pressure in spots just to get to the QB, leaving the secondary helpless in a lot of cases in man coverage situations.

    I would bet without looking at the numbers that is where we are getting burned most, and why the secondary/pass defense numbers are what they are.

    And that isn't changing anytime soon, due to Suggs being out. Just the way it is.

    Probably gonna keep sending the house, in turn giving up big plays on the back end here and there.




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    Re: Some stats at the quarter pole....dissecting what they mean

    We don't have a dominant defense anymore. They need help from the offense. That was demonstrated perfectly in the NE game. When the offense put together drives, the defense made stops. When the offense stalled, the defense gave up drives.

    Cameron, Flacco, and the offense need to help out the defense these days. We're not used to that in Baltimore, but the days of "give us 10 points and we'll win the game" are finished...or at least in hiatus.




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    Excellent post LukeDaniel. Thanks for digging up the stats dude!

    Quote Originally Posted by LukeDaniel View Post
    The Ravens defense has faced 291 offensive plays this year, tied for 3rd most. By comparison, the Texans (arguably the AFC's best defense) have only had 232. Those extra 59 plays are nearly a games-worth of defensive snaps that the Ravens have faced over a team like Houston. No wonder we are towards the bottom in the league in yards/game allowed.
    So basically we are on pace to play 20 games worth of defensive plays. That would support the theory held by some that bend-but-don't-break D's may be too gassed by the end of the year to make a good playoff run. I agree with others that our stats are skewed a bit from playing Vick and Brady already and our 3rd down efficiency will improve. One thing is sure; the Ravens D is not the same as we've been used too, but thankfully neither is our O.
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    Re: Some stats at the quarter pole....dissecting what they mean

    It really goes hand in hand. A quick strike offense is naturally going to put strain on your D as their on the field much more. Typically those type of offenses that succeed have defenses that are built around creating turnovers, look at the Saints their superbowl year, or even the Giants for examples.

    Bottom line, without Suggs in there we aren't as good a D.




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    Re: Some stats at the quarter pole....dissecting what they mean

    Our D has sort of the opposite problem of the one Mattison had to manage. During Mattison's time as coordinator, our secondary was suspect so he had to scale back on blitzes to protect it. He took a lot of misguided heat from fans because of it, imo.

    This year, the secondary is a strength, but it's not to the level of the '06 defense. As the year goes on, I think we'll see more sacks because of coverage and Pees will be able to get more creative. We'll see a semi-revival of "controlled chaos" before the year is out, I think. Smith has too much talent not to muscle his way in, and Williams looks even better as a third corner. Webb is a gamebreaker. Reed is still dangerous, and Pollard is a thumper whose pass defense is better than advertised when he came here.




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    As we've seen for the better part of the last 10 years, how a team is performing doesn't mean jack outside of the last 4-6 weeks of the season.

    This team is not yet what it's going to be...especially the defense, and that's assuming a worse case scenario of getting nothing special out of Suggs when he comes back.


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    Re: Some stats at the quarter pole....dissecting what they mean

    Quote Originally Posted by BigPlayReceiver View Post
    As we've seen for the better part of the last 10 years, how a team is performing doesn't mean jack outside of the last 4-6 weeks of the season.

    This team is not yet what it's going to be...especially the defense, and that's assuming a worse case scenario of getting nothing special out of Suggs when he comes back.


    G3
    One of the big problems for the defense is the Ravens no longer have a ball control offense.

    Sure, they have some playmakers and can score from anywhere on the field, but they don't do well at grinding out the tough yards and moving the chains. In fact they seem pretty bad at it.

    Throwing a 60 yard bomb on your second play from scrimmage is nice, but you are trotting your defense right back out there tired. And if you can only do that occasionally, and are punting most of the game, well, its going to wear out your defense. Putting up 16 offensive points vs the Browns isn't really a bright sign of things to come.

    The teams with the best defense usually have an offense that can rack up a lot of first downs and dominate the time of possession. The Ravens aren't that kind of team any more.




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