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    Re: Anyone still want to call Oher a good left tackle?



    Quote Originally Posted by steelerhater View Post
    No one cares about any of that if he can't get the job done. I'd rather have a lazy slob playing the position if he can keep guys off of Flacco.
    Joe's current sack rate is .054 or 1 out of every 20 drop backs. Joe's career sack rate is .065. Michael Oher is currently keeping guys off Flacco better than he's ever been protected in his career.
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    Re: Anyone still want to call Oher a good left tackle?

    Quote Originally Posted by Haloti92 View Post
    The O-line was dubious, but we again wasted many plays where there was great protection. Every game, by miracle or skill our O-line walls off the pass rush for 5+ seconds, and way too many times, we don't do jack chit on those plays; we settle for some BS checkdown or toss into double coverage eventhough we have all day. Doing nothing with those plays makes the other plays (where the O-line is sieve-like) stand out more.
    Have you ever considered that the good protection and lack of open receivers downfield might actually be connected in some way?

    Rush 4, drop 7 into deep zones, and if the coverage is good you WILL force a checkdown or a throw into a tight window. That seems to be what we've TRIED to do frequently over the past few games, but our defense hasn't been able to execute. The Browns last night executed VERY well in downfield coverage. It's not BS, it's football.

    Trust me, the OL doesn't need any help standing out. To my eyes, they are far and away the weakest unit on the field at this point, including anybody on defense.

    Quote Originally Posted by ActualSpamBot View Post
    Joe's current sack rate is .054 or 1 out of every 20 drop backs. Joe's career sack rate is .065. Michael Oher is currently keeping guys off Flacco better than he's ever been protected in his career.
    If you think the decline in Joe's sacks has anything to do with the OL, you're crazy. First of all, while Joe has been sacked less, I highly doubt his total pressures, QB hits, and sacks have declined. He's certainly not seeing cleaner pockets than he has in past years. Second of all, despite facing similar or worse pressure, Joe's pocket presence has been markedly better this year. He's buying time inside and outside of the pocket and getting the ball out before the rush gets home.

    The improvement in our passing game this year has nothing to do with our OL and is probably occurring in spite of our OL.




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    Re: Anyone still want to call Oher a good left tackle?

    Mikie Prestone gave Oher and the entire O-line a grade of D+ and said they went
    backwards after improving Sunday night.

    Betcha Film Study says the same thing.




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    Re: Anyone still want to call Oher a good left tackle?

    Quote Originally Posted by ActualSpamBot View Post
    Joe's current sack rate is .054 or 1 out of every 20 drop backs. Joe's career sack rate is .065. Michael Oher is currently keeping guys off Flacco better than he's ever been protected in his career.
    Let's not confuse the number of sacks with the number of hits, hurries, and flushes Joe takes throughout the game. Going by the number of sacks is an easy argument because its a commonly document statistic. If you want the game to see how often pressure comes from the left side through Oher and Harewood, it's evident there is a problem with the quality of pass protection Flacco is receiving.
    Another thing to consider, is that Flacco is getting throwing the ball away or getting rid of the ball often as he is getting bulldozed. This also does not show up in the "sacks" statistics.




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    Re: Anyone still want to call Oher a good left tackle?

    Since everyone was ready to crucify McKinnie after one mistake last week, this is an appropriate thread.

    Oher was just plain bad last night but it is what it is. He has improved at LT this year from how he played previously but I don't think he's ever going to be a consistent blocker week in and week out. It is unfair to just pick on him though, on a night that Osemele looked like O'neil Cousins and Harewood and Birk both played poor too. I have come to accept this too, that given the age of Birk and the inexperience of Osemele/Harewood, the results are going to vary wildly from week to week...




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    Re: Anyone still want to call Oher a good left tackle?

    Knee jerk alert! Look, it was one bad game for Oher and the rest of the line. If it becomes a trend, then this thread will be more appropriate.
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    Re: Anyone still want to call Oher a good left tackle?

    Quote Originally Posted by leachisabeast View Post
    You all seem to forget that playing left tackle is one of the hardest positions in all of sports on this planet. It's like QB, only around 10 guys on this planet can play at a high level in the NFL. Right now Oher looks like a young athletically gifted LT who is average and has plenty of room to grow. I still think that he has shown a lot of progress this year from where he was in 2010. He has to improve on his mental lapses, and some issues as a pass blocker, but you can't just throw him out because of a mistake here and there, lots of OT's make mistakes, but teams deal with it and move on. Hell the Giants won the SB with David Diehl starting at LT, who may well be one of the worst right tackles in football right now.
    What you call progress, everyone else calls the same old ish...stupid penalties, missed blocks and killed drives. Its year four, and he is still making the same mistakes. He is overmatched against elite players, and sometime against not so elite players like last night. It is funny how some manage to literally bend over backwards to defend his play for reasons i cannot fathom. Is it that damn movie? Because no other player on the roster gets a continuous free pass for poor play than this guy. Nothing but excuses for the same crappy play. Open your eyes and accept what they tell you and everyone else. Michael oher - great guy, hard worker, medicocre at best player at this position. This is on the coaches for continually truing to force this issue.




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    Re: Anyone still want to call Oher a good left tackle?

    Quote Originally Posted by esmd View Post
    Knee jerk alert!
    This.

    I actually think this whining, bitching and crying about Oher this week will be a good thing and he will have a great game the next time out. I know this because Cary Williams was last week's whipping boy on this board and he made the game changing play last night; the week before everyone was on Birk's case and he played well against New England and kept Wilfork off Joe. Keep it up boys.




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    Re: Anyone still want to call Oher a good left tackle?

    We can only hope that they are a little better than this by the end of the year. They can't get worse. It is literally impossible for them to get worse.

    Joe still hasn't been sacked nearly as often as in previous years. That's mostly due to his awareness though.




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    Re: Anyone still want to call Oher a good left tackle?

    Quote Originally Posted by GOTA View Post
    Good? No, but he is good enough for the team to get by this year.



    He is good enough for this team to win. Right now, good enough is about all you can ask for. It's not perfect, but not every team can have a Joe Thomas or a Jake Long.

    Again, Joe had 356 yards passing and 2 scores...in the rain...after playing 4 days ago...
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    Re: Anyone still want to call Oher a good left tackle?

    He struggled last night at times no doubt about it. Joe took a couple shots that the O-Line needs to stop from happening. Offense was still very productive last night and it likely would have been the 3rd 30+ pt effort in 4 tries if not for the 11 points the Ravens left on the board with sloppy play. Clearly, they can win with this O-Line and be successful.

    The only problem I have is when they say they are going with this O-Line set up in order to run the no-huddle/up-tempo attack...And then it's the same old tempo from years past. If they are going to play slow, than why not revert to the O-Line that Preston advocated in his column of McKinnie, Osemele, Birk, Yanda Oher.

    Although on the first TD drive, they were quite up-tempo, and of course they easily drove the length of the field for a TD.




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    Re: Anyone still want to call Oher a good left tackle?

    The entire OL had a bad night. I saw every member of the OL get beat badly on multiple plays except for Yanda. Oher and Osemele looked overmatched in pass protection on way too many plays. Either they were beaten outright or were pushed back into Flacco thus collapsing the pocket. Birk and Harewood were beaten badly on numerous occasions last night too. Oher had a couple of penalties, but could have easily had at least three more false starts called on him. He is still stepping back early on passing plays presumably to guard against speed rushers, but I thought he was supposed to be better against speed rushers due to his athleticism.




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    Quote Originally Posted by esmd View Post
    Knee jerk alert! Look, it was one bad game for Oher and the rest of the line. If it becomes a trend, then this thread will be more appropriate.
    I was one of the guys who picked the Ravens to win by a lot. I picked 34-6, I think.

    So I was not expecting last night's game to be close. Joe threw a bad pick in the end zone, and we had a couple untimely penalties to end (or extend Browns') drives, and the OL did not pass protect as well as I would have liked.

    I did some research and found this helpful, as we go 3-1 and enter the second quarter of the season:

    Festivus

    His definitions and arguments were so clear in his own mind that he was unable to understand how any reasonable person could honestly differ with him.




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    Re: Anyone still want to call Oher a good left tackle?

    I thought harewood was worse tbh. Well maybe the penalties push him over the edge, 2 false starts and a holding I think. Pitts had two false starts as well. So did a WR, and ko had one I think. That's awful




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    Re: Anyone still want to call Oher a good left tackle?

    Frankly, I think a lot of it was a result of 4 games in essentially 2 weeks.

    This 10-11 day break before traveling to KC is REALLY needed.
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