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  1. #31

    Re: Semi bright spots



    Quote Originally Posted by Heap86 View Post
    McNair can throw the ball 60 yards still. But they are always rainbows. If they aren't perfect strikes, they hand up there for DBs to get. The giants DBs don't have good hands, but madison made that pick because it fell into his hands like a gentle flower or some shit.

    I will say it once again.

    McNair's deep passes looked the same in 2003 and he was the Co-MVP, did you miss the Playoff game? The Lame Duck to McCariens for the TD.

    The zip on his deep passes have been gone for several years. Contrary to what most think, McNair hasn't had a cannon since 2002, Ask any Titan fan.

    I agree with most of what you said. However, his arm has even gotten a little worse, dare i say it, on the short passes. They take forever to get there, so he really only throws the slants and crossing routes when the WR had a decent step and there is no defender and a lower level who can break on the pass.


    On the Dwill throw last night, the issue isn't that it was over thrown or underthrown IMHO.


    The problem is zip. The ball hung up in the air for like 8-9 seconds. Even if it had been acurate to dwill, the DBs were going to be all over him. To fit in balls like that, i.e. a ball to a WR running a post corner or flag type route in double coverage, the ball needs to get there quick. it can NOT hang up there like that, or it give the DBs, already in good coverage, time to adjust to that ball.


    McNair's zip is gone. Distance isn't the problem.


    On the intermediate throws, when Boller throws it, it gets where its going quick, and I'm more confident his miscues won't be picks than McNair's, which are just too soft for a DB or S or LB not to make a play on.




  2. #32

    Re: Semi bright spots

    Quote Originally Posted by ClericBlackDave View Post
    The problem is zip. The ball hung up in the air for like 8-9 seconds.
    Considering the fact that good hang time for a punt is 5 seconds, do you want to reconsider this ridiculous assertion?

    I mean, it's obvious that you bash McNair every chance you get, but this takes the cake.

    Boller isn't playing unless McNair gets hurt.

    You're starting to beat a dead horse here.

    And Boller threw a ball last night that was a sure pick. The hilarious part is that your excuse was the he throws it harder so that makes it better.

    McNair is a better QB. The FO sees it, the coach sees it, and the players see it.

    PP




  3. #33

    Re: Semi bright spots

    Dave is about to join Tex on the ignore list.

    First McNair can't throw the ball 10 yards.

    Now even though he threw the ball 40 yards down the field, the fact that it wasn't a rifle was the reason the DB picked it off. Double coverage be damned.

    I remember 2 of the best deep ball throwers I've seen in the past 15 years or so were Jeff Blake and Chris Chandler...and thier deep balls were floaters...and I remember then that it was considered a plus that they put a lot of loft on the ball because it gave WR's a chance to run under the ball...as opposed to Jeff George who pretty much threw lasers on every throw.

    I can't defend the fact that it was a poor decision, but while watching the pass again on tape, it wasn't a matter so much of underthrowing it or too much loft...it was thrown too far to the outside shoulder when DWill had started to run to the inside as if he was running a deep post.




  4. #34

    Re: Semi bright spots

    RIW, feel free to put me on your block list. I dont mind. Same goes for you purple poe.


    I'm still going to note that McNair's arm dead because, well, it is. National writers are starting to notice. They might disagree with me that Boller could be a better option, but no-one is thinking McNair's arm is what it was.


    Is it enough to get the job done? Maybe against your mediocre teams.


    Against teams that can't tackle you can get lucky throwing passes without zip short of the sticks.


    When that works, and you control the clock, its a beautiful thing. Like against the Eagirls last week. When it doesn't work, and you're 3 and out, its ugly. And makes me think, why did he pass for 4 yards on 3rd and 7?




  5. #35

    Re: Semi bright spots

    Quote Originally Posted by ClericBlackDave View Post
    RIW, feel free to put me on your block list. I dont mind. Same goes for you purple poe.


    I'm still going to note that McNair's arm dead because, well, it is. National writers are starting to notice. They might disagree with me that Boller could be a better option, but no-one is thinking McNair's arm is what it was.


    Is it enough to get the job done? Maybe against your mediocre teams.


    Against teams that can't tackle you can get lucky throwing passes without zip short of the sticks.


    When that works, and you control the clock, its a beautiful thing. Like against the Eagirls last week. When it doesn't work, and you're 3 and out, its ugly. And makes me think, why did he pass for 4 yards on 3rd and 7?

    I notice you didn't respond to me when I asked you about your stupid 8-9 second crap. Typical though. Spewing BS against our starting QB because you're favorite player on the Ravens got benched. Funny how you and a few others get your feathers ruffled when people say stuff about Boller yet you will type something that's so ridiculous and flat out wrong.

    National writers? Who the hell cares about national writers? Those guys know less about the Ravens than many posters on this board. And pretty much everyone on the face of the earth sans a few people on this board think Boller isn't a better option.

    No vocal minority Dave. It's reality.

    And you are correct Dave. Boller has a better arm than McNair. He's got NOTHING else. So while Boller can throw the ball farther and with more zip than McNair, that is the ONLY thing he has over McNair. There have been MANY QBs that have come through this league with rifle arms and not much else. Boller is just another in a long list.

    And Im not gonna ignore you Dave.

    You amuse me with your ridiculous love for Boller.

    I don't pretend that McNair is a top flight QB. He's average. But on this team, average at QB means you're a lock to start without even a sniff of competition from the backup. Now THAT says something.

    PP




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    Re: Semi bright spots

    Against teams that can't tackle you can get lucky throwing passes without zip short of the sticks.


    When that works, and you control the clock, its a beautiful thing. Like against the Eagirls last week. When it doesn't work, and you're 3 and out, its ugly. And makes me think, why did he pass for 4 yards on 3rd and 7?


    Did you not watch the game against Philly?

    McNair was throwing lasers, the pass to Mason and Quinn's TD both had zip.

    I think you exaggerating McNair's problems, I have seen alot of his passes thrown with zip.

    You make it sound like McNair just throws nothing but Knuckleballs.




  7. #37

    Re: Semi bright spots

    We beat every team we played that made the playoffs

    We went 13-3 last year.

    Yet McNair is only good enough to beat mediocre teams?

    Nobody is debating that McNair's arm isn't what it used to be.

    Fortunately, this game isn't all about throwing rockets and lasers.

    McNair has been able to put the ball where it needs to be for the most part.

    And you are such a hypocrite for crying about arm strength after all that spamming you did in 03 when you were begging for Chris Redman of all people and his questionable arm strength.

    And all this talk about explosiveness with Boller...dude has consitantly been among the worst in the league in YPA and YPC.

    Pass the pipe Dave.




  8. #38

    Re: Semi bright spots

    I have 2 words when it comes to arm strength: Joe Montana.

    QB is 65% mental and 35% physical. McNair will be fine if the line performs and the running game is just decent.

    FM




  9. #39

    Re: Semi bright spots

    Quote Originally Posted by Fanman View Post
    I have 2 words when it comes to arm strength: Joe Montana.

    QB is 65% mental and 35% physical. McNair will be fine if the line performs and the running game is just decent.

    FM
    I agree with that. However, I think its a problem when that 35% physical becomes the bottle neck of a team. This is why at some points all teams have to switch from veteran players to youth. Because that 35% becomes that bottle neck.


    Thats also IMHO many fans and sports analysts and writers are giving this team a window to win a championship of a year or two, because at some point the veteran experience is going to be trumped by aging and losing speed and ability.


    Of course, the way this team drafts, I think we'll be more like the pats in that respect.


    IN any case, its jsut my honest opinion that the 35% physical aspect for QBing is McNair's flaw right now, and experience teams can exploit it . . . badly.


    We beat every team we played that made the playoffs

    We didn't beat the Broncos, and we both know they are a better team than, say, the Chiefs right now.


    Also, what I'm more worried about it what we did in the playoffs. I.E. NOTHING. And I put that on Steve McNair's shoulder's. Jamal had a decent game, the problem with that game was throwing short of the 1st down and also 2 bad, BAD picks that were ball that, if you throw them, NEED to be forced in there with a strong arm that McNair lacks right now.




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    Re: Semi bright spots

    Quote Originally Posted by ClericBlackDave View Post
    Also, what I'm more worried about it what we did in the playoffs. I.E. NOTHING. And I put that on Steve McNair's shoulder's. Jamal had a decent game, the problem with that game was throwing short of the 1st down and also 2 bad, BAD picks that were ball that, if you throw them, NEED to be forced in there with a strong arm that McNair lacks right now.
    Sorry, but ClericBlackDave and Mista T are becoming the "Tex Ritters" of McNair. It's the same things all the time.




  11. #41

    Re: Semi bright spots

    Alright losac, i'll stop posting.


    I'm done hating on McNair for now. I'll post again after we play some elites and McNair proves me wrong, or doesn't. Not for one second do I want to be a "Tex Ritter". however, I'm never going to be a McNair yes man. If he plays well, props, if he doesn't, like throwing rainbow picks into double coverage, I'll critique him just like you'd critique boller for the same.


    Additoinally, I limited my commentary on McNair to non personal attacks and question that are within the realm of football, like whether or not having a dead arm allows you to throw deeps outs, comeback routes, and seam routes that are necessary to keep elite teams / defenses at bay.


    In any case, I promise right now not to post until during the regular season. I hope that helps you sleep better at night, or something




  12. #42

    Re: Semi bright spots

    Quote Originally Posted by Losac View Post
    Sorry, but ClericBlackDave and Mista T are becoming the "Tex Ritters" of McNair. It's the same things all the time.
    Pretty much.

    Arm strength wasn't a problem for him when Chris Redman was starting...




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    Re: Semi bright spots

    I don't understand why these guys seem to hate Steve McNair.

    Mista T said in one of the QB threads that he wishes that McNair would retire.

    Our Defense alone did not win us 13 games last year, of course these guys seem to think so. I guess our Defense threw 16 TD's and over 3000 yards.

    If Boller led us to a 13-3 Season and a Playoff appearance, I have the feeling that these guys would be estatic.

    McNair led us to a 13-3 season, but according to those guys, he is old, has a dead arm and needs to retire




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    Re: Semi bright spots

    I have to agree.

    I cant imagine that once the weather was factored in, Billick had any intention for the team to go out there and play their hearts out.

    McNair did fine under the circumstances. My only worry is McGahee's lack of production again. The combination of youth on the O line and his being new to the scheme may very well prove to be dangerous.
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