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    Re: Midget Offense in Full Display



    Quote Originally Posted by pslholder96 View Post
    Nothing absurd about the OP. Just his first comment on Brady not being elite.
    But I granted several times he is "elite." The fact that I use quotes is because I think this word is abused and overused, and I do not like it. It's just a label. Nobody knows what "elite" means, except, apparently, the talking heads.




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    Re: Midget Offense in Full Display

    Quote Originally Posted by dandrews View Post
    You dont win multiple Super Bowls in a decade with a system quarterback.
    Knowing which plays the opposition is running sure helps, though.




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    Re: Midget Offense in Full Display

    Quote Originally Posted by PerpetuallyBored74 View Post
    He's now about 230 and his arm has above average strength.
    Point taken.

    Quote Originally Posted by PerpetuallyBored74 View Post
    When Moss joined the Pats, Brady threw 50 TDs. And he didn't do it by dinking and dunking all the time.
    Brady's a 1st ballot HoF'er.
    Randy Moss made Daunte Culpepper look like a HOF'er. So I don't think that's a great argument.

    The reason Brady is a HOF'er, in addition to the tainted rings, is the dink-and-dunk offense. I don't think there can be any doubt about that.




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    The reason Joe Montana is a hall of famer, is because of the dink and dunk offense.
    My motto was always to keep swinging. Whether I was in a slump or feeling badly or having trouble off the field, the only thing to do was keep swinging. -Hank Aaron




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    Re: Midget Offense in Full Display

    I am probably biased towards Brady, but take a look at our WR and overall roster in 2006. Tom was a Reche Caldwell drop away from taking us to the superbowl. The 2003 team didn't have a legitmate #1 WR and Antowain Smith was the RB.




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    Re: Midget Offense in Full Display

    Quote Originally Posted by Uli2001 View Post
    But I granted several times he is "elite." The fact that I use quotes is because I think this word is abused and overused, and I do not like it. It's just a label. Nobody knows what "elite" means, except, apparently, the talking heads.
    Well if you don't know what the word means or much less like using it, then don't use it. I guess from now one we'll call guys like Brady, Brees and Rodgers good okay?




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    Re: Midget Offense in Full Display

    Quote Originally Posted by Uli2001 View Post
    I beg to differ, Brady is considered to be an "elite" QB in this league, but that's because he plays in a system that maximizes his skills, which is great accuracy in short passes and uptempo play. Brady is not an accurate passer over 15 yards, and he does not have the strongest arm. Again, there's a reason scouts bypassed him coming out of college. But he found a coach in NE who literally made him into "elite" byndeveloping this dink-and-dunk offense system, with fast smallish receivers.

    The Ravens, I should say the Ravens and the Ravens crowd, finally got to him in those last two drives, and that's what won the game.
    brady wasnt accurate over 15 when they had moss?




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    Re: Midget Offense in Full Display

    Quote Originally Posted by ActualSpamBot View Post
    The reason Joe Montana is a hall of famer, is because of the dink and dunk offense.
    Playing with #80 did not hurt his cause, did it. But yes, Montana was a great QB. Not Unitas-great, but probably the second best.




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    Re: Midget Offense in Full Display

    Quote Originally Posted by iggyman555 View Post
    brady wasnt accurate over 15 when they had moss?
    Randy Moss made Daunte Culpepper look like a HOF'er.




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    Re: Midget Offense in Full Display

    Quote Originally Posted by Brady12AH81 View Post
    I am probably biased towards Brady, but take a look at our WR and overall roster in 2006. Tom was a Reche Caldwell drop away from taking us to the superbowl. The 2003 team didn't have a legitmate #1 WR and Antowain Smith was the RB.
    Thanks for the thoughtful reply. I was almost surely too harsh with the OP (my team losing the game at that point, and frustration setting in). Brady is one of the most accurate passers in short and mid-range ever. I believe that the argument stands that he is a product of great coaching and a great system. But all great QBs are, to a larger or smaller extent (Johnny U being the exception, of course).

    All I have been doing after the OP is trying to defend it against some attacks that I thought unjustified.




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    Re: Midget Offense in Full Display

    [QUOTE=Uli2001;492268]Thanks for the thoughtful reply. I was almost surely too harsh with the OP (my team losing the game at that point, and frustration setting in). Brady is one of the most accurate passers in short and mid-range ever. I believe that the argument stands that he is a product of great coaching and a great system. But all great QBs are, to a larger or smaller extent (Johnny U being the exception, of course).

    I see you on the intermediate argument. But besides Randy Moss, the next best deep threat that Tom has played with might be Bethel Johnson. There really isn't anyone on this team that can get deep. Lloyd is probably the best deep threat, not due to speed but because his double moves are deadly. Last year we sent Matthew Slater on the field strictly to run deep. He is a special teams player and not even a true WR. While I don't think Toms deep ball is great or terrible, I don't think he has been exactly blessed with guys that give him an opportunity to be considered a great downfield passer.




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    Re: Midget Offense in Full Display

    Johnny Unitas dink and dunked his way to football immortality in the '58 championship. whatever works. this thread is silly.




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