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    Re: Ten Things I Saw On Tape



    Yes Torrey was definitely yanked back coming out of his break on the outside come back that was 'thrown wide' on the third down play. Disgrace the ref didn't call it. Joe had one bad throw on the final drive. The rest was just a mix of bad formating, protection, or incredibly tight coverage.

    We need to find creative and easy ways to get Torrey the ball. He shouldn't have to work so hard for three catches.

    Joe didn't play great but I would still give him a B minus. He had the one horrible interception. Other than that, he was forced to be perfect to even manage a completion in the second half.




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    I'd almost resort to flopping out there if I were a WR.

    The holding and grabbing by DB's out there...in all games is crazy. Just man up, press, grab and hold.

    Hell, if Sunday's game taught us anything, it's that even if the DB gets caught, the ref's aren't even calling PI...just holding/illegal contact.




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    Read a lot and watched a lot, plus several of you making the similar point here....the fact that Cammie continues to fail to either make proper halftime adjustments, or adjust on the fly is incredibly annoying.

    However, I can actually buy that "the new mentality" (from another thread) hasn't taken root yet. If so, I hope to see a different approach in week 3. I think at this point in the season, the approach is better than the outcome (of course we all want a win). Reading between lines of Harbs' presser...he didn't like the [2nd half] approach either. I want to see a different approach b/c we have the talent to execute and succeed...but we need to be set-up for that success.


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    Quote Originally Posted by ccoolahan14 View Post
    Not to beat a dead horse or "sound like a baby" (as Joe would say), but I just finished watching the coaches tape as well and it is REALLY hard to talk about the lack of separation among receivers without mentioning that Torrey was getting abused by DRC on nearly every play of the second half. The broadcast showed the one play where he ran a 9 route and DRC was practically taking his jersey off and never got a call, but it was like this on nearly every play. In fact, Joe went back to Torrey on a comeback on the very next play but threw significantly wide of the mark. Watching the broadcast it looked like this was just an inaccurate throw, but on the coaches tape, DRC noticeably yanks Torrey back as he is coming out of his break (something you can clearly see from a camera so zoomed out that you can see every single player's full route; how a ref 3 yards away can't see it is beyond me), and he can't get to the spot he otherwise would have been. Finally, on the game-ending 4th down play, Torrey ran a 9 route down the left sideline and was being pushed the entire 20 yards he ran before Joe threw incomplete to Rice.

    I'm sure this sounds like sour grapes but after just watching the tape I needed to vent. For those with the game rewind package, I would recommend focusing on Torrey (and occasionally Jacoby) in the second half to tell me if you agree, particularly on the aforementioned plays. As far as what the Ravens can control, the route combinations are very basic in my opinion and need to be expanded. It seems that Boldin essentially runs an out, in, or seam (where he is essentially a decoy) on nearly every play, with the occasional jerk route thrown in. I would really like to see more slants and pick plays, but considering Cam's reputation, I'm not expecting change.
    Thats what I thought was happening.....so no surprise.
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    Jimmy Smith worries me. he didn;t play much last year because of injury but when he did play he made big plays. i really thought he was going to be a physical shutdown cover guy but now i'm not so sure.




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    i haven't reviewed the caches tape on NFL rewind but it looked like upshaw had A GOOD GAME.




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    Quote Originally Posted by Ravenswintitle View Post
    They played both in the first but it looked like straight up man/press in the 2nd. They made adjustments and it was also clear they knew they could get away with grabbing the receiver all the way down field. These guys have figured out the officials and are pushing it to the brink.
    Truth

    and on the other side of the coin?
    Looks like our game plan(s) were kept intact "because they were so well conceived and thought out" that we had no adjustments for the ref created playing rules.

    I saw one of the strongest examples of 'ref adjustments' from Jeff Fisher's Rams last game.

    One of the chippiest/nastiest going at it as close to the whistle as I've seen in a while. (and both sides of the whistle)
    (He brought Cortland Finnegan in and we know his nasty streak, he got a 15yarder on the Skins Morgan after the whistle)
    Anyway, Steven Jackson spikes the ball (no TD) gets a 15 yarder and then sits the rest of the game.
    You push the other team to the point where they lose it, but don't you dare lose it yourself or you are removed.

    The point of all this, is what the refs are allowing demands that we change some things.
    Someone here mentioned FLOP. Sure, why not? if a WR is grabbed, then he should spin his body and fall... instead we just sit back and watch no separation and balls missing by 3 yards because our WR was slowed illegally and uncalled.

    And what do we do? On D we play off the receiver bracket them.

    All told it was good enough to get close, and the Eagles were smart adjustments enough to get just enough to steal a victory from us.

    It wasn't the players, the blame lays on the coaches because the assumption has to be made that you can't do anything about the refs, that is a given, you have to adapt to the circumstances.

    Harbs (he of no direct game planning) did the best he could with a time-out to chew them out, but it wasn't his responsibility to make adjustments (It is his responsibility to see that his coaches learn to do it in the future and not let that second half situation exist again).


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    Quote Originally Posted by celticrob View Post
    The coaches film shows less blame should be placed on Joe and more on Cam and the receivers. It's becoming clear Cam can not come up with schemes to get receivers open. The receivers were blanketed by their dbs, and couldn't get separation.
    It's tough to get separation when you're being mugged but they did 'allow it' to happen. Sadly when there was any resistance (called back TD pass) the offense got flagged so I'm not sure what the answers are. It's clear that the officials are struggling with pass protection rules at the NFL level and the players are taking full advantage of it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Section 502 Raven View Post
    Jimmy Smith worries me. he didn;t play much last year because of injury but when he did play he made big plays. i really thought he was going to be a physical shutdown cover guy but now i'm not so sure.
    In JimCary, we have two cats with above average length (a good counter to smaller, quicker guys like PHI's WRs). Jimmy has better feet than Cary, but both guys should be pressing as much as possible.

    Pees obviously knows this, but even if he doesn't trust them to do so successfully (based upon what he's seen to-date maybe *shrug*), he should bring them up to press a hell of a lot more, and aggressively, until these clown refs decide that they are going to call ICs/DPIs with some consistency.




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    How is ot our secondary look stout under chuck, SHIT even Danny Goerrer look all pro under his scheme, but under pees they look like mattison secondary?? ALL THE MORE EVIDENCE DAN PEES IS A CRAP DC.




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    I'm not too worried about Jimmy Smith. The fact is, he's still learning and his game isn't as a zone-cover corner. He's a press-man corner. I understand using the zone against a guy like Vick, but honestly I think they're doing a disservice to a guy like Jimmy Smith by not using him in press coverage. Yes, D-Jackson and Maclin are ridiculously fast, but they're small (especially Jackson), so press coverage could have been effective on them to at least dissrupt their routes.

    All of those comeback routes were option routes. Cary Williams lines up 10 yards off? Cool, explode to get him into a back pedal and then cut back for the come back.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jsmoove View Post
    How is ot our secondary look stout under chuck, SHIT even Danny Goerrer look all pro under his scheme, but under pees they look like mattison secondary?? ALL THE MORE EVIDENCE DAN PEES IS A CRAP DC.
    Season Losses: Corey Redding, JJ, Suggs (potentially)
    Game Loss: Pollard

    First Time Starters: Kruger, McClellan, McPhee, & Ellerbe.

    That is a lot of starting experience being replaced by a lot of inexperience.

    The D hasn't been awesome yet, but what I am hoping is that as the season progresses, everyone will get better and start to click.
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    Quote Originally Posted by wickedsolo View Post
    Season Losses: Corey Redding, JJ, Suggs (potentially)
    Game Loss: Pollard

    First Time Starters: Kruger, McClellan, McPhee, & Ellerbe.

    That is a lot of starting experience being replaced by a lot of inexperience.

    The D hasn't been awesome yet, but what I am hoping is that as the season progresses, everyone will get better and start to click.
    and we have to acknowledge that Philly's front four is among the best in the league. Make it their front seven...
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    Quote Originally Posted by wickedsolo View Post
    Season Losses: Corey Redding, JJ, Suggs (potentially)
    Game Loss: Pollard

    First Time Starters: Kruger, McClellan, McPhee, & Ellerbe.

    That is a lot of starting experience being replaced by a lot of inexperience.

    The D hasn't been awesome yet, but what I am hoping is that as the season progresses, everyone will get better and start to click.
    We need patience with the Defense, a lot of new moving parts.




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    Quote Originally Posted by wickedsolo View Post
    Season Losses: Corey Redding, JJ, Suggs (potentially)
    Game Loss: Pollard

    First Time Starters: Kruger, McClellan, McPhee, & Ellerbe.

    That is a lot of starting experience being replaced by a lot of inexperience.

    The D hasn't been awesome yet, but what I am hoping is that as the season progresses, everyone will get better and start to click.
    mattison had the same group minus some of the secondary and they look bad, Chuck P, same group with the addition of Jimmy and it was night and day. Im not ignoring the losses completely suggs and jj are huge even redding, but what Pees has been doing these last 2 games has been pretty mattison-esq. You lose starters to other teams all the time its the name of the game also to injury what makes you a good play caller is using what you got to their strengths even if that is limited you find a way Pees has not and for that matter Cam has not either, i think what we have seen from pees so far is what we are going to get this entire season. If I'm wrong you can check me on it Solo.




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