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09-17-2012, 12:08 PM #37
Re: Arm going Forwad, Hmmm Intentional Grounding!?!?!?!
McCoy is out in the flat by the sideline. No, the ball doesn't get close to McCoy, but that's because Vick was being hit when he throws the ball. There is a reverse angle from behind Vick where you can see McCoy's feet at the top of the screen and that Vick's arm is clearly moving in that direction.
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09-17-2012, 03:07 PM #38Regular 1st Stringer
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Re: Arm going Forwad, Hmmm Intentional Grounding!?!?!?!
Yes, but the majority of the time that happens, a quarterback is hit in the back from his blindside, or doesn't see it coming, and he's not throwing the ball "to avoid a sack".
In yesterday's instance, that was CLEARLY the ONLY thing Vick was trying to do was AVOID A SACK! That pass wasn't going near anyone. Like i said, usually a quarterback is getting blinded, and the ball may flutter out sideways- and that is NOT grounding- Vick's was completely differenent as he was just throwing the ball before his ass touched the ground. That *is* why the intentional grounding rule was created.
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09-17-2012, 03:28 PM #39Hall Of Fame Poster
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Re: Arm going Forwad, Hmmm Intentional Grounding!?!?!?!
Post #37 by BMore pretty much refutes you arguement. It was an incomplete pass, nothing more, nothing less. You cannot penalize on what was intended but only on what took place. McCoy was in the vicinity but ended up no where near Vick's pass because the hit by Ngata change the trajectory of the ball.
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09-17-2012, 03:39 PM #41Legendary RSR Poster
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09-17-2012, 04:07 PM #42Hall Of Fame Poster
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09-17-2012, 04:29 PM #43
Re: Arm going Forwad, Hmmm Intentional Grounding!?!?!?!
I saw the same thing B-more Ravor saw - feet at the top of the screen and could have been the target. The fact that it did not make it to the LOS does not apply to an intended target. If so, then every throw at the feet of a back behind the line when the pocket collapses would be IG; and I do not think it is a penalty.
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09-17-2012, 05:34 PM #44Regular 1st Stringer
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Re: Arm going Forwad, Hmmm Intentional Grounding!?!?!?!
I think the Tuck Rule is a fucking joke. Also in that case, it was clear that Brady was no longer passing the ball, and he fumbled the fucking ball! I have no idea why they made this rule except to try to turn the refs into clones- but the fact is there are still a lot of calls that are open to the judgement of the referees, so I don't see why that one should be any different (just as confirming that a receiver is in the area is always open to judgement- is 10 yards away in the area?). Once the QB's arm starts coming down, and it's clear it's not a passing motion, it should be a fumble. This rule is a freaking joke that infers that refs are incompetent.
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09-17-2012, 07:00 PM #45Hall Of Fame Poster
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Re: Arm going Forwad, Hmmm Intentional Grounding!?!?!?!
If you are going down and try to throw the ball away its grounding. Vick was trying to avoid the sack and have 3rd and goal from the 10. He threw that ball away.
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09-17-2012, 07:53 PM #47
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09-17-2012, 07:59 PM #48
Re: Arm going Forwad, Hmmm Intentional Grounding!?!?!?!
You know why I know it was intentional grounding. Because Vicks body was at a 20 degree angle with his ass two inches from the ground before his arm starts moving forward. That has nothing to do with McCoy and trajectory. It's all about him trying to avoid the sack.
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