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  1. #196
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    Re: Officiating (Merged Threads)



    Quote Originally Posted by Raveninwoodlawn View Post
    Why would you take a guy that did this in college...


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    And have him play 10 yards off like he's Asante Samuel or something?
    You stop it right now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LC_Ravens_87 View Post
    fair enough...I guess people can disagree about whether they want the refs in a professional sports league to properly administer the game. Some would say that it might be an essential prerequisite to officiating, but I guess others would say that knowing the rules isn't that big a deal for being a pro referee.
    It obviously isn't an essential prerequisite to officiating because according to you they don't know the rules, and according to reality they have already officiated several games.

    Nor does "knowing the rules," whatever you mean by that (I am reading it as: making less mistakes regarding irrelevant minutiae), prevent officials from making completely erroneous calls that have a massive effect on the outcome of the game, as evidenced by a large percentage of games called prior to this year.




  3. #198

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    Watching the 49ers vs Lions game on Sunday Night Football and looking back on the Ravens game on MNF and it's become clear that the only games that can be counted on to be somewhat/primarily properly officiated will be the ones that are nationally televised since they will have the best hand-picked crews.




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    Quote Originally Posted by Maverick Hiker View Post
    I think Vick was out of the pocket and towards the sideline and that's why that wasn't intentional grounding. QB's always thrown it away in that situation and the rule says no IG. I think the rule should be changed but it is what it is.
    " If the player has left the tackle box, and throws the ball away, it must still reach the line of scrimmage. " http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intentional_grounding

    Apologies if this is repeating a previous answer, this thread has added 4 pages since I last checked...




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    Quote Originally Posted by Haloti92 View Post
    It obviously isn't an essential prerequisite to officiating because according to you they don't know the rules, and according to reality they have already officiated several games.

    Nor does "knowing the rules," whatever you mean by that (I am reading it as: making less mistakes regarding irrelevant minutiae), prevent officials from making completely erroneous calls that have a massive effect on the outcome of the game, as evidenced by a large percentage of games called prior to this year.
    You are right on that front. The #1 prereq is for the Owners to squeeze every cent they can out of this game. If that means sacrificing the product for a couple weeks, obviously they are going to do it.

    And I know we disagree, but in a game with rules, every rule matters. Otherwise, why would they have the rule? Why not just wing it?




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    Quote Originally Posted by HoustonRaven View Post
    What part of they cant review penalties in a review do you not understand.

    The play was called a fumble.
    Dude, you posted 3 times "Read the rule". Someone reads the rule, and you come back with "You can't review penalties", which has nothing to do with the rule you quoted? Are you just trying to upset people?




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    Quote Originally Posted by Raveninwoodlawn View Post
    Pereria said that once a QB is in the process of being hit, there is no intentional grounding...probably because once a guy is hit he completely loses control of where the ball is going.

    Pereria did say the O PI was bogus though as the defender was not looking for the ball.
    Thank you, that makes sense. I can go to bed now...




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    Quote Originally Posted by dweezil22 View Post
    Dude, you posted 3 times "Read the rule". Someone reads the rule, and you come back with "You can't review penalties", which has nothing to do with the rule you quoted? Are you just trying to upset people?
    Read the entire thread. I think it's rather clear where I stand on the issue.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LC_Ravens_87 View Post
    You are right on that front. The #1 prereq is for the Owners to squeeze every cent they can out of this game. If that means sacrificing the product for a couple weeks, obviously they are going to do it.

    And I know we disagree, but in a game with rules, every rule matters. Otherwise, why would they have the rule? Why not just wing it?
    Now you have circled back to the actual issue. And that is the extent to which the "product" has been "sacrificed." To me and many, you haven't even moved the needle towards proving there has been any sacrifice at all. This is especially true when you not only consider the minor effects of an increase of temporary errors that take a little extra time to sort out, but also consider the effects of having crews that do not go out of their way to (perhaps are afraid to) call any and all borderline, ticky-tack fouls regardless of their unbalancing effect on the outcome of the game.




  10. #205

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    Quote Originally Posted by Haloti92 View Post
    Now you have circled back to the actual issue. And that is the extent to which the "product" has been "sacrificed." To me and many, you haven't even moved the needle towards proving there has been any sacrifice at all. This is especially true when you not only consider the minor effects of an increase of temporary errors that take a little extra time to sort out, but also consider the effects of having crews that do not go out of their way to (perhaps are afraid to) call any and all borderline, ticky-tack fouls regardless of their unbalancing effect on the outcome of the game.
    I'll grant you that you are skilled with the keyboard in arguing your point. You can overstate your own argument and mischaracterize mine, but it's subtle.

    But to me it's as simple as this: An NFL team with 52 rookies is going to go 0-16; is the learning curve that much lower for a ref to expect all these guys off the street to be as good as guys who have done this at the highest level for 5, 10, 15, 20 years.

    Hell, it takes some fry cook at McDonalds time to get up to speed compared to someone with experience...why would this be any different?




  11. #206

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    Quote Originally Posted by HoustonRaven View Post
    They just showed the reply on Football Night in America ....

    Jones definitely pushed off with his left hand. Hate to say it, but that was a good call as well.
    Ha... This thread is getting good. It's almost if you think you're the Peter King of the Ravens 24x7 forum by showing all of us "less knowledgable" fans you're opinion is right because its something all the media elites would say.

    I don't know whether or not the refs cost the Ravens the game today. We had the ball last and didn't convert. What I do know (from the 15 yrs of playing & 30+ yrs of watching) is that they were not very good and had a difficult time w/ the basic intangibles of officiating a football game and all the chippiness by the players was a result of inexperienced refs that they knew could be taken advantage of. Even the common viewer could have witnessed that. The call on Jacoby Jones would not have been called 9 times out of 10 by regular refs. Offensive PI is hardly called in the NFL these days and that play was very subjective.

    Even though you're right 110% of the time according to you, people on here reserve the right to vent on what was clearly a poorly officiated game.

    If that doesn't work, maybe you and the three others you always agree w/ can have your own forum? Or maybe you can forward your resume to SI?




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    Quote Originally Posted by Knox Harrington View Post
    Ha... This thread is getting good. It's almost if you think you're the Peter King of the Ravens 24x7 forum by showing all of us "less knowledgable" fans you're opinion is right because its something all the media elites would say.

    I don't know whether or not the refs cost the Ravens the game today. We had the ball last and didn't convert. What I do know (from the 15 yrs of playing & 30+ yrs of watching) is that they were not very good and had a difficult time w/ the basic intangibles of officiating a football game and all the chippiness by the players was a result of inexperienced refs that they knew could be taken advantage of. Even the common viewer could have witnessed that. The call on Jacoby Jones would not have been called 9 times out of 10 by regular refs. Offensive PI is hardly called in the NFL these days and that play was very subjective.

    Even though you're right 110% of the time according to you, people on here reserve the right to vent on what was clearly a poorly officiated game.

    If that doesn't work, maybe you and the three others you always agree w/ can have your own forum? Or maybe you can forward your resume to SI?
    Umm. Wow.

    For one, I never once said the refs called a good game. In fact, I said just the opposite. It was a mediocre game from an officiating standpoint, IMO, but it was mediocre on both sides of the ball.

    Second, I never prevented anyone from giving their opinion or called out anyone as being "less knowledgable". If that's how you view a debate, then I am sorry you feel that way. This is a message board and people will debate. It's the engine of a message board.

    If you have a point to which you'd like to debate, I welcome your thoughts. Otherwise, I'll just chalk your insults up to, as you put it, venting.
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    Blaming the officials is the Pees (cowards) way of trying to explain the loss. Ravens had ample opportunities to make that Jacoby play NOT matter as much as it did, and couldn't do it. Look at Flacco going 7/24 or whatever it was in the second half or Cameron constantly dialing up passes when Flacco was hurt and Rice was on fire. Look at the defense getting no pressure and deciding that Celek wasn't worth covering.

    It's the Ravens fault that they left it in the referee's hands to make that call and for it to matter as much as it did. Right call or wrong call, it shouldn't have been that critical. Both teams play with the same officials and there were some iffy calls on the Eagles too.




  14. #209

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    Quote Originally Posted by Knox Harrington
    Even though you're right 110% of the time according to you, people on here reserve the right to vent on what was clearly a poorly officiated game.

    If that doesn't work, maybe you and the three others you always agree w/ can have your own forum? Or maybe you can forward your resume to SI?
    Some of the posters tonight are a little testy. Hope it passes quickly.




  15. #210

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    Quote Originally Posted by HoustonRaven View Post
    Umm. Wow.

    For one, I never once said the refs called a good game. In fact, I said just the opposite. It was a mediocre game from an officiating standpoint, IMO, but it was mediocre on both sides of the ball.

    Second, I never prevented anyone from giving their opinion or called out anyone as being "less knowledgable". If that's how you view a debate, then I am sorry you feel that way. This is a message board and people will debate. It's the engine of a message board.

    If you have a point to which you'd like to debate, I welcome your thoughts. Otherwise, I'll just chalk your insults up to, as you put it, venting.
    Really, so your first post on this thread wasn't along the lines of "this is a stupid thread" in a condescending way to the OP?

    And your second post wasnt along he lines of "the officials weren't bad today and made no difference in the outcome"? We can pull those up if you want?

    We can debate all you want, but when you're constantly talking down to the good fans that post here, it becomes obnoxious to the casual poster like myself.

    We don't need you telling us that the shit show we saw today was normal (w/ or without replacement refs). They sucked, but so did he play calling and the execution by the Ravens. So when you tell us that Jones pushed off cause the talking heads at NBc said so (even though I watched the play 2 dozen times and I don't really see that), I call BS cause your trying to align your opinion w/ the "experts" which to you makes yourself automatically right.

    The refs sucked today




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