Officiating (Merged Threads)

**HoustonRaven** · 09-16-2012, 05:32 PM

Originally Posted by PurpleApocalypse37

The ball still has to make it to the line of scrimmage. It did not.

Read the rule that was already linked.

It doesn't matter because he was outside the pocket.

**Benny8444** · 09-16-2012, 05:34 PM

Originally Posted by PurpleApocalypse37

The ball still has to make it to the line of scrimmage. It did not.

The call on the field was a fumble, they reveiewd that. you can then go and throw grounding. The only calls that can be made under the hood are ones that are able to be challanged if made or not made by them self. Yes grounding can be reviewed but not when combined with a fumble review same with 12 men.

Had the call on the field been incomplete pass the booth can then review it and see it was grounding

**PurpleApocalypse37** · 09-16-2012, 05:34 PM

Originally Posted by HoustonRaven

Read the rule that was already linked.

It doesn't matter because he was outside the pocket.

NO. Even if you are out of the pocket, the pass STILL needs to make it to the line of scrimmage. Oh, and he was IN THE POCKET anyways.

**Benny8444** · 09-16-2012, 05:35 PM

Originally Posted by NCRAVEN

Oh... not to mention the TD they took away from Jacoby... yeah we got the worst of it.

He did push off but Nnmandi was not looking for the ball. Should have been a no call at best. but he did push off.

**PurpleApocalypse37** · 09-16-2012, 05:35 PM

Originally Posted by Benny8444

The call on the field was a fumble, they reveiewd that. you can then go and throw grounding. The only calls that can be made under the hood are ones that are able to be challanged if made or not made by them self. Yes grounding can be reviewed but not when combined with a fumble review same with 12 men.

Had the call on the field been incomplete pass the booth can then review it and see it was grounding

Either way they screwed up the call Bigtime.

**HoustonRaven** · 09-16-2012, 05:36 PM

Originally Posted by PurpleApocalypse37

NO. Even if you are out of the pocket, the pass STILL needs to make it to the line of scrimmage. Oh, and he was IN THE POCKET anyways.

No, you're not correct. Read the link again.

**Benny8444** · 09-16-2012, 05:37 PM

Its only PI if the ball is in the air when the foul happened if its a bang bang play where it looks like it might have been the Umpire and head R will discuss it as they have a better angle and the QB but if it is close they will call Holding or Iligal Contact as they dont want a close play to dictate a game.

Plus a lot of teams complained about the number of PI calls last week and how it totalled the number from last years week 1 and 2 combined. that may have something to do with it.

**Benny8444** · 09-16-2012, 05:38 PM

Originally Posted by PurpleApocalypse37

Either way they screwed up the call Bigtime.

As the rule stated he was outside the tackle box so it was not grounding, when they show the replay on NFL network or if any of us DVRd it we will see that

**LC_Ravens_87** · 09-16-2012, 05:39 PM

Originally Posted by Benny8444

As the rule stated he was outside the tackle box so it was not grounding, when they show the replay on NFL network or if any of us DVRd it we will see that

I don't know how much clearer the rule can be, it says no grounding outside the tackle box as long as the ball AT LEAST REACHES THE LOS.

**PurpleApocalypse37** · 09-16-2012, 05:41 PM

Originally Posted by HoustonRaven

No, you're not correct. Read the link again.

"Intentional grounding will not be called when a passer, while out of the pocket and facing an imminent loss of yardage, throws a pass that lands at or beyond the line of scrimmage, even if no offensive player(s) have a realistic chance to catch the ball (including if the ball lands out of bounds over the sideline or end line)."

"AT OR BEYOND the line of scrimmage." The ball did NOT it at or beyond the line of scrimmage.

**Knox Harrington** · 09-16-2012, 05:42 PM

Originally Posted by Raveninwoodlawn

Vick was outside of the pocket. There is no grounding there.

It's the tackle box, and if you dvr'd the game go back and watch because he was not.

Intentional grounding applies on that play and there was no receiver within 8 yards of the play

**Haloti92** · 09-16-2012, 05:43 PM

Vick was outside the tackles, the play was snapped on the right hash I believe. And the ball got "near" the line of scrimmage. It was close in both regards, but I don't think it gets called regardless of which refs are in there, and it certainly isn't a clear mistake to refrain from calling that.

The "it was the scab refs" excuse is pretty weak in general. The only call that was very costly that was dubious was the offensive PI and I actually only saw one bad-angle (not from the side) replay of the play and couldn't tell how it looked. It was a weak "push" even if it was a push, but if both his hands went to the DB's back then it makes sense the ref would call it, even if it was sketchy (b/c it looks worse than it is). The rule has almost become automatic (b/c of Irvin's abuse in the old days) that two extended arms with both hands on the DB, regardless of the force you are applying or the advantage gained, is called OPI.

There were several dubious calls on both teams in terms of roughing the passer, and a couple non-called unnecessary roughness penalties (Pollard on Celek sticks out the most). In general, the refs rank way low on the list of why we lost, and the insinuation that the old refs don't make as many or more huge calls or non-calls that affect games (even if they are different calls/non-calls) is nonsense, imo.