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  1. #151

    Re: So, any OL doubters turning into believers now?



    Quote Originally Posted by CptJesus View Post
    Am I the only person who feels like the o-line played absolutely fine last night? No QB should have the expectation of 5+ seconds in the pocket. Flacco's pocket awareness was terrible, but the o-line sure as hell gave him plenty of time.
    I wouldn't say it played very well, but it was nowhere near the abomination people seem to claim. People have a very distorted view of how other teams/games in the NFL look and it leads them to think stuff they are watching in our games is "unique" in some way.

    There are many teams, and several good teams, that have undeniably and by far worse OL performances than us week in and week out (watch Romo or Rodgers running for their lives 4 out of 5 plays every game). Teams that have 3rd stringers at multiple positions, or are signing guys off the street who play the same week.

    Our O-line is average at worst. And it played like an average O-line would play against the Steelers. It also has it a bit harder than other O-lines in that our OC and QB team up to create a situation where the other team knows our plays and knows we won't be getting rid of the ball quickly for the most part.




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    Re: So, any OL doubters turning into believers now?

    Quote Originally Posted by Bhcforlife View Post
    I'm hoping next year, the line is ???-Osemele-Gradkowski-Yanda-Oher, think that is an improvement, but the ??? just happens to be at the most critical position on the offensive line. WickedSolo, I know you are a draft guy, now that the collegiate season is done, what kind of LTs are going to be out there in the draft this year that the Ravens could have a reasonable shot at and could come in and play right away?
    Luke Joeckel seems to be the consensus #1 LT prospect right now (Texas A&M). He's good, but I think the lack of OT's in this draft will push his stock up higher than what it would "normally" be (whatever normal is...).

    There are a lot of good guard prospects in this draft, so if they're not liking the LG spot, this would be a good draft to pull from.

    Some potential LT prospects...

    Jake Matthews, Texas A&M (6'5" 310lbs) - Started at RT for the Aggies. Very athletic. Daddy is a HOF'er.
    Barrett Jones, Alabama (6'5" 315lbs) - Starting C for the Crimson Tide. Has played every position on the OL. Solid player. Safe pick. Better center prospect than Peter Konz, IMO.
    Taylor Lewan, Michigan (6'8" 300lbs) - in that Sebastian Vollmer/Ryan Kalil build. Could go pretty high. Nice athleticism for his size.
    Dallas Thomas, Tennessee (6'5" 310lbs) - Started at LT for the Vols. Moved down to LG and has done well.
    Jordan Pugh, Syracuse (6'6" 305lbs) - Nice footwork as a pass blocker. Not overly strong though. Could be a nice mid round pick.
    Eric Fisher, Central Michigan (6'8" 307lbs) - Athletic, raw, and has a lot of upside. May go in the mid 1st round based on upside.
    David Yankey, Stanford (6'5" 303lbs) - I think this guy is pretty underrated. He's a solid LT. More athletic than many give him credit for.
    Oday Aboushi, Virginia (6'6" 310lbs) - UVA has been so-so, but Aboushi has always performed well. If he played for a better school he'd probably be a top 20 pick.
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  3. Re: So, any OL doubters turning into believers now?

    Quote Originally Posted by Haloti92 View Post
    I wouldn't say it played very well, but it was nowhere near the abomination people seem to claim. People have a very distorted view of how other teams/games in the NFL look and it leads them to think stuff they are watching in our games is "unique" in some way.

    There are many teams, and several good teams, that have undeniably and by far worse OL performances than us week in and week out (watch Romo or Rodgers running for their lives 4 out of 5 plays every game). Teams that have 3rd stringers at multiple positions, or are signing guys off the street who play the same week.

    Our O-line is average at worst. And it played like an average O-line would play against the Steelers. It also has it a bit harder than other O-lines in that our OC and QB team up to create a situation where the other team knows our plays and knows we won't be getting rid of the ball quickly for the most part.

    Couldn't have said it any better.

    Not great, but definitely acceptable.
    Probably looked better then most lines do against the Steelers but we choose to run an offense that asks them to do more then they are capable of and not playing to their strengths.

    That being said, they definitely have looked like crap some games, and some guys definitely have more trouble with various matchups they are asked to take on, but we choose to hope for the best in alot of these situations rather then plan accordingly to counter those deficiencies in those situations.
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    Re: So, any OL doubters turning into believers now?

    Quote Originally Posted by Bhcforlife View Post
    They aren't going to put McKinnie in at this point. That ship has sailed. If they were going to do it, it'd be done by now. That should have been done weeks ago, to start the season to be honest, they have to live with it now. It will be three hours of pure comedy watching Oher try to block Von Miller and Jason Pierre Paul, and Birk try to block Geno Atkins.

    The thing that concerns me the most is that there are no reinforcements, as has been mentioned. McKinnie, Birk, and Williams are almost certainly not going to be here next year. Harewood probably won't be either. Nobody knows if Gradkowski is going to be good or not. They have literally nobody else in the wings and that is troubling.

    I'm hoping next year, the line is ???-Osemele-Gradkowski-Yanda-Oher, think that is an improvement, but the ??? just happens to be at the most critical position on the offensive line. WickedSolo, I know you are a draft guy, now that the collegiate season is done, what kind of LTs are going to be out there in the draft this year that the Ravens could have a reasonable shot at and could come in and play right away?
    All three players the Ravens have played at LG this year have been horrible. It boggles the mind how Harbaugh could think that any of those three players are better OL than McKinnie. You are correct though in saying that ship has sailed. The Ravens definately have to get a LT either through the draft or in FA. I am also not sold on Gradkowski being the Center of the future for the Ravens. They need to sign a veteran to hold down the fort for 1-2 years until they can develop a Center. If the Ravens have to pay Flacco $15 million to franchise tag him, that won't leave a lot of money to fill all of the holes they have.




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    Re: So, any OL doubters turning into believers now?

    Quote Originally Posted by wickedsolo View Post
    Luke Joeckel seems to be the consensus #1 LT prospect right now (Texas A&M). He's good, but I think the lack of OT's in this draft will push his stock up higher than what it would "normally" be (whatever normal is...).

    There are a lot of good guard prospects in this draft, so if they're not liking the LG spot, this would be a good draft to pull from.

    Some potential LT prospects...

    Jake Matthews, Texas A&M (6'5" 310lbs) - Started at RT for the Aggies. Very athletic. Daddy is a HOF'er.
    Barrett Jones, Alabama (6'5" 315lbs) - Starting C for the Crimson Tide. Has played every position on the OL. Solid player. Safe pick. Better center prospect than Peter Konz, IMO.
    Taylor Lewan, Michigan (6'8" 300lbs) - in that Sebastian Vollmer/Ryan Kalil build. Could go pretty high. Nice athleticism for his size.
    Dallas Thomas, Tennessee (6'5" 310lbs) - Started at LT for the Vols. Moved down to LG and has done well.
    Jordan Pugh, Syracuse (6'6" 305lbs) - Nice footwork as a pass blocker. Not overly strong though. Could be a nice mid round pick.
    Eric Fisher, Central Michigan (6'8" 307lbs) - Athletic, raw, and has a lot of upside. May go in the mid 1st round based on upside.
    David Yankey, Stanford (6'5" 303lbs) - I think this guy is pretty underrated. He's a solid LT. More athletic than many give him credit for.
    Oday Aboushi, Virginia (6'6" 310lbs) - UVA has been so-so, but Aboushi has always performed well. If he played for a better school he'd probably be a top 20 pick.

    are there any offensive coordinators in the draft?




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    Re: So, any OL doubters turning into believers now?

    Here are the power rankings for NFL o-lines for 2012. Ravens gave up 33 sacks
    last year and have 26 this year with 4 games left.

    Note the power rankings column for run and pass blocking.




    http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/ol




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    Re: So, any OL doubters turning into believers now?

    gotta keep bumping this




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    Broken record at this point. Entire line is a joke and this above anything else is what is losing me with Harbaugh. Again I have to say spare the fucking bullshit about "playing your best five" when you play Jah Reid and Bobbie Williams over McKinnie. It's not hyperbole, based on what has been seen this year, to say that Williams shouldn't even be in the NFL at this point, let alone starting.




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    Lol at this thread


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    Re: So, any OL doubters turning into believers now?

    Quote Originally Posted by Paintballguy View Post
    Lol at this thread


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    Constructive...intelligent...not surprising.

    This OL is considerably worse than how they started back in the pre-season and the first couple weeks of the season.

    Point wherever you want, but the OL - across the board - is worse.
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    Quote Originally Posted by wickedsolo View Post


    Constructive...intelligent...not surprising.

    This OL is considerably worse than how they started back in the pre-season and the first couple weeks of the season.

    Point wherever you want, but the OL - across the board - is worse.
    U gotta admit this thread is funny now


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    Quote Originally Posted by Paintballguy View Post

    U gotta admit this thread is funny now

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    It is. I am just disappointed because they seemed to be a fairly strong unit earlier in the season.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wickedsolo View Post
    It is. I am just disappointed because they seemed to be a fairly strong unit earlier in the season.

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    Re: So, any OL doubters turning into believers now?

    Losing Yanda really, really hurts.




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    Re: So, any OL doubters turning into believers now?

    If you want develop the o-line then leave it as is. If you want to win, insert McKinnie.




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