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    Re: Osemele to start at tackle on Monday night



    It was gonna be hard to keep KO off the field period, if we are truly running the sugar offense, regardless the OLine that scheme will play to its strengths.




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    Re: Osemele to start at tackle on Monday night

    Quote Originally Posted by PurpleApocalypse37 View Post
    Are you a native speaker?
    Don't want to say names of forum members as the post may have been removed it that case, leach knows who I'm talking about, as will a lot of people who were in the mckinne or oher threads




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    Re: Osemele to start at tackle on Monday night

    I don't have a problem with this. Hey a change in offense, with the no huddle, quicker pace, this may have to do with conditioning and the ability to have athletic tackles who hustle. With the Raven's offenses of the past with five step drops and long patterns, we might be seeing them making the change with more of a quick strike offense, thus holding the ball will not be happening all to often.

    Until the games are played, I will not question this decision at this time. I feel that this will work out IMO.

    We as fans really don't like change anyway.




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    Re: Osemele to start at tackle on Monday night

    Quote Originally Posted by Stealthbirds80 View Post
    I don't have a problem with this. Hey a change in offense, with the no huddle, quicker pace, this may have to do with conditioning and the ability to have athletic tackles who hustle. With the Raven's offenses of the past with five step drops and long patterns, we might be seeing them making the change with more of a quick strike offense, thus holding the ball will not be happening all to often.

    Until the games are played, I will not question this decision at this time. I feel that this will work out IMO.

    We as fans really don't like change anyway.
    This is exactly what has happened IMO. I don't think the coaches think McKinnie can hold up in a full game of this new sugar huddle offense. Btw, it also means by benching McKinnie, it pretty much all but confirms that this offense is going to become more of a full time thing. Oher and KO carry very little percentage of body fat for offensive lineman, and are obviously really athletic, so they fit in well with this offense and wont get tired like McKinnie would.




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    Re: Osemele to start at tackle on Monday night

    Quote Originally Posted by leachisabeast View Post
    This is exactly what has happened IMO. I don't think the coaches think McKinnie can hold up in a full game of this new sugar huddle offense. Btw, it also means by benching McKinnie, it pretty much all but confirms that this offense is going to become more of a full time thing. Oher and KO carry very little percentage of body fat for offensive lineman, and are obviously really athletic, so they fit in well with this offense and wont get tired like McKinnie would.
    That's negated by starting Williams though, he wouldn't be a picture of the lineman you want to run no huddle with, but I get your point about ko and oher compared to McKinnie, but is he really more "unfit" for the role as Williams?




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    Re: Osemele to start at tackle on Monday night

    I told everyone here that Oher outplayed McKinnie. I wasn't the only one who saw that either.

    Listen guys, it's not that McKinnie CANT beat out Oher for the LT position, it's just that he DIDNT and ISNT. He's not in good shape and they're planning on running a lot more no huddle offense with quick snap counts. They need guys out there who are in good shape and can keep up. Even though Bobby Williams is older, he's not in bad shape. IIRC he lost like 20lbs or something coming into pre-season camp back in August.

    Finally, it is about who the best 5 offensive lineman are. McKinnie is no longer in that group. Can he regain the starting LT position? Absolutely, but my money is on him just sitting back and collecting a pay check. He doesn't care about winning - he never did - and he doesn't ever really put 100% into the game, so you could probably argue that the only real reason he continues to play is because it is easy money for him.

    Definitely a couple of guys on here who really shit on posters for even suggesting that Oher could start over McKinnie. I'm sure those guys will all claim that the coaching staff doesn't know what they're doing (and they obviously do) and this is going to be a massive failure.

    I disagree though.

    Oher and KO (IMO) is a better combination than McKinnie and Oher.
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    Re: Osemele to start at tackle on Monday night

    Bobby Williams was just terrible this preseason




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    Re: Osemele to start at tackle on Monday night

    he starting at right or left tackle?




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    Re: Osemele to start at tackle on Monday night

    Quote Originally Posted by wickedsolo View Post
    I told everyone here that Oher outplayed McKinnie. I wasn't the only one who saw that either.

    Listen guys, it's not that McKinnie CANT beat out Oher for the LT position, it's just that he DIDNT and ISNT. He's not in good shape and they're planning on running a lot more no huddle offense with quick snap counts. They need guys out there who are in good shape and can keep up. Even though Bobby Williams is older, he's not in bad shape. IIRC he lost like 20lbs or something coming into pre-season camp back in August.

    Finally, it is about who the best 5 offensive lineman are. McKinnie is no longer in that group. Can he regain the starting LT position? Absolutely, but my money is on him just sitting back and collecting a pay check. He doesn't care about winning - he never did - and he doesn't ever really put 100% into the game, so you could probably argue that the only real reason he continues to play is because it is easy money for him.

    Definitely a couple of guys on here who really shit on posters for even suggesting that Oher could start over McKinnie. I'm sure those guys will all claim that the coaching staff doesn't know what they're doing (and they obviously do) and this is going to be a massive failure.

    I disagree though.

    Oher and KO (IMO) is a better combination than McKinnie and Oher.
    While agree with the last line, oher and ko are better than McKinnie, I think having McKinnie out there would be better than Williams. Ie McKinnie ko birk yanda oher, is better than oher Williams birk yanda ko.

    I'm torn, but I think ko instead of Williams is better for our line than oher instead of McKinnie and ko at tackle.




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    Re: Osemele to start at tackle on Monday night

    Quote Originally Posted by arnie_uk View Post
    That's negated by starting Williams though, he wouldn't be a picture of the lineman you want to run no huddle with, but I get your point about ko and oher compared to McKinnie, but is he really more "unfit" for the role as Williams?
    I think that the interior of the line is intentionally left "beefy". I'm not a coach, but is it possible that they look to run more out of shotgun and also prevent Wilfork like players from getting big pushes up the middle. Just a thought.

    Those athletic tackles with the way the NFL is going help with the speedy outside rushers and the guard and center to help against the behemoths. Grubbs was excellent, but to me he was more of a technician at guard and Williams appears to get a little more "dirty/rough" in there.




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    Re: Osemele to start at tackle on Monday night

    Quote Originally Posted by arnie_uk View Post
    While agree with the last line, oher and ko are better than McKinnie, I think having McKinnie out there would be better than Williams. Ie McKinnie ko birk yanda oher, is better than oher Williams birk yanda ko.

    I'm torn, but I think ko instead of Williams is better for our line than oher instead of McKinnie and ko at tackle.
    Maybe, but Williams really only looked lost during the 1st game against the Falcons when Birk was out, so he was lined up beside a rookie center, who also was pretty lost.

    I do agree that KO is better than Williams, but I guess the coaching staff feels that Williams is a better offensive lineman than McKinnie, which I can't honestly say I'd agree or disagree.

    What I will say is that just gauging Oher vs McKinnie this pre-season, Oher looked better and more able to handle the sugar huddle.
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    Re: Osemele to start at tackle on Monday night

    Quote Originally Posted by bengtc View Post
    Bobby Williams was just terrible this preseason
    yea he blew the whole preseason, guy is done KO should be at guard, period. its a better O line with him at G and Mckinnie at tackle than KO at T and Bobby W at G. EOM

    i also dont trust the o line coaches as we seen before they starter Oher at LT one year and last year made no adjustments to stop wilfork or at least scheme better




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    Re: Osemele to start at tackle on Monday night

    Quote Originally Posted by wickedsolo View Post
    Maybe, but Williams really only looked lost during the 1st game against the Falcons when Birk was out, so he was lined up beside a rookie center, who also was pretty lost.

    I do agree that KO is better than Williams, but I guess the coaching staff feels that Williams is a better offensive lineman than McKinnie, which I can't honestly say I'd agree or disagree.

    What I will say is that just gauging Oher vs McKinnie this pre-season, Oher looked better and more able to handle the sugar huddle.
    I agree oher is better than McKinnie and ko needs to be out there, just interested to see was dropping McKinnie and not Williams the right moved. At least oher won't be playing dunlap




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    I think KO was going to be starting regardless with his potential and what he's showed. So then it was a question of McKinnie or Williams. Could come down to conditioning or chemistry. I'd probably rather have the rook next to Yanda than McKinnie in terms of who can help him out and be a good influence.

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    I'm a little worried. Hopefully this means absolutely nothing, and it turns out to be a plus. A rookie RT who hasn't played his best IMO is a little scarry especially against that really good Cinci Dline.
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