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    Re: Reasons for concern.



    Quote Originally Posted by Dirt1 View Post
    And now, a washed up player like Considine makes the team, based on his "relationship" with Harbaugh.
    You know this how? You have no idea how the man was in practice.




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    Re: Reasons for concern.

    Quote Originally Posted by alienrace View Post
    You know this how? You have no idea how the man was in practice.
    I saw him play in two preseason games, and he played like crap. Surprise, surprise, Harbaugh knows him from their days in Philly.




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    Re: Reasons for concern.

    Quote Originally Posted by Dirt1 View Post
    I saw him play in two preseason games, and he played like crap.
    Thats 2 pre season games. We dont see him in practice and keep in mind he will probably be the #4 safety if he does make the team.




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    Re: Reasons for concern.

    Quote Originally Posted by alienrace View Post
    All of my concern comes on the defensive/ST side of the ball. I think the offense will be outstanding this year, there are too many weapons, and too much talent for it not to be.

    Now, I realize that defensively, our first unit did pretty good when it was out there intact, and that the schemes were ultra vanilla, nothing like we will see in the season. Pees is a very good DC, and aggressive. So the lack of sacks is not nearly as disconcerting as it would seem.

    But...there are worries...

    1. Paul Kruger. Last night showed me that Kruger has a lot to learn yet. Far too many times this preseason, he has gotten too far inside and allowed RB's to get huge gains sweeping to his side. I think he has the talent and physical ability, he just has to fix these mistakes.

    2. Cary Williams. He has looked terrible. Why he didn't sign that 3.5 mil contract is beyond me. Back to the ball, often two steps behind receivers, he looks like a rookie. Have to think they'll get him straightened out, he was much better last season.

    3. Courtney Upshaw. Many predicted him to have a sizeable impact this year, but it's not looking this way so far. He will be an integral part of the pass rush at times, so he needs to get healthy and step up.

    4. Sergio Kindle. I don't know what to say about him at this point. Looking like a total bust.

    5. Kickoff/punt coverage. This is probably the #1 concern to me. It's horrible.

    There are reasons for optimism too, but these are my five main concerns.
    I agree.

    I'd add Jimmy Smith in there...as mediocre as Cary has looked, Jimmy looks just as bad. Hard to imagine but he has even worse ball skills than Cary.

    As for Upshaw, I think the team had to take a gamble after he first hurt his shoulder. He needed reps, but if he played, his shoulder would never heal properly and if he played, he'd likely be playing all year with one arm.

    Was it better to let his shoulder heal and have him probably not have any reps before the season started or give him reps and have a rookie who's strength was his...strength, out there trying to make plays with one arm




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    Re: Reasons for concern.

    Agree with most of what's been said...

    My biggest concern is the OLB/DE positions, Kruger, McPhee, Upshaw, Kindle, etc. None of them have been good...

    Kruger has not been effective as a pass rusher and has failed multiple times at holding the edge in the running game...

    McPhee has been completely invisible, has anyone heard his name even once throughout the preseason...?

    Upshaw is apparently out of shape, was making little impact and is now hurt...

    Kindle is nothing, I guess he'll be on the team because of the lack of numbers there but he really shouldn't be, and shows how weak the position is...

    Mclellan has been the best of any of them, which again, shows how weak the position is...

    Ravens were dealt a really bad hand. I doubt they would have let Johnson and/or Redding go so easily if they knew Suggs would get hurt. They are trying to replace too many key guys at once with significantly less talented players and I think that's going to show, at least through the first half of the season.




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    Re: Reasons for concern.

    Quote Originally Posted by Bhcforlife View Post

    Ravens were dealt a really bad hand. I doubt they would have let Johnson and/or Redding go so easily if they knew Suggs would get hurt.


    Ain't that the truth. I bet they've been saying the same things at the castle
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    Re: Reasons for concern.

    Quote Originally Posted by Bhcforlife View Post
    Agree with most of what's been said...

    My biggest concern is the OLB/DE positions, Kruger, McPhee, Upshaw, Kindle, etc. None of them have been good...

    Kruger has not been effective as a pass rusher and has failed multiple times at holding the edge in the running game...

    McPhee has been completely invisible, has anyone heard his name even once throughout the preseason...?

    Upshaw is apparently out of shape, was making little impact and is now hurt...

    Kindle is nothing, I guess he'll be on the team because of the lack of numbers there but he really shouldn't be, and shows how weak the position is...

    Mclellan has been the best of any of them, which again, shows how weak the position is...

    Ravens were dealt a really bad hand. I doubt they would have let Johnson and/or Redding go so easily if they knew Suggs would get hurt. They are trying to replace too many key guys at once with significantly less talented players and I think that's going to show, at least through the first half of the season.
    Did they really have a choice? Where would the cap space to keep them come from?




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    Re: Reasons for concern.

    There is a couple reasons im optimistic about the pass rush...

    1. Dean Pees...Every comment i've read from a Raven coach or player has raved about his intelligence and ability to disguise. I think he's gonna do a great job scheming pressure

    2. More snaps for Mcphee

    3. Mcclellan, Upshaw(eventually)...For as good a player as JJ was he started to offer nothing as a pass rusher. We will miss him abundantly as a edge setter and run defender but either of these guys have a bit more pep as pass rushers


    The ST coverage concerns me, as TL has pointed out many times...how long is Rosburg gonna get a pass if the ST does improve this year?




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    Re: Reasons for concern.

    Some people will never learn their lesson that pre season is pre season.

    Still, I think there are some concerns with a few players. I still think we desperately need pass rush help from somewhere else.




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    Re: Reasons for concern.

    Quote Originally Posted by Corey View Post
    Did they really have a choice? Where would the cap space to keep them come from?
    It's hindsight, because they had no idea Suggs would suffer the injury he did. At the time, I'm sure they figured they would be fine with Suggs on one side and guys like Kruger, McPhee, possibly Kindle, etc, on the other side. I'm not a cap expert but I would imagine they could have fit at least one of the two under the cap...but I have nothing to go on with that assumption.




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    Re: Reasons for concern.

    I don't know what games you've been watching, but McPhee has had very limited snaps, and has gotten HUGE pressure on the QB's in his limited snaps. That is also in a vanilla designed pre season defense, I don't know what else you want from a guy who is suffering from a loss in the family right now.




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    Re: Reasons for concern.

    Our outside linebackers are huge weakness IMO. Setting the edge & rushing the passer.

    The biggest I think is setting the edge. Reason being regardless if it's a pass happy league the top defenses in the league are great at stopping the run. There is a reason defensive players say that it's focus #1. You want to make teams have to beat you one way. You want to be able to at least shut down one part of the offense. In a league where the rules favor passing you aren't going to be able to shut that down and the run open up the pass even more. So when things start breaking down in the run game for the defense it just opens a lot of things up for the offense.

    I think a lot of us used the next man mentality to stay positive with Suggs injury. But watching Kruger look lost out there brought me back down to reality to when I wasn't even confident Kruger could fill JJ's role effectively... now he is suppose to be our best OLB? Scary. Then there is also question marks with our # 2. Mccellan seems more like a depth guy than a starter. And Upshaw's development has been slower than predicted.

    I mean even with some legitimate reasons why our defense could take a big step back.. we still have many great players that will have a say in that. I'm going to try to have no expectations. Though for me I'd be happy with a bend not break defense. Teams move down the field on us but don't score many touchdowns.
    Last edited by scbgirlxo; 08-31-2012 at 06:02 PM.




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    Re: Reasons for concern.

    I can't believe this LB has never been a problem here, now its looking pretty thin at this point. We need some help if we are to go deep into the season. I really think offense is going to carry the team this year.




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    Re: Reasons for concern.

    I am hoping McPhee comes back this week. you think he would since he has been gone almost a week but family takes priority over football.




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    Re: Reasons for concern.

    alien-
    I think you've raised some good issues, as they are valid concerns, however I tend to agree with Carey and those who see the Special Teams as a major area that will be critical to how the Ravens do this season. IMHO, the STs will be the difference in how "wonderful" the offense will be this year, notwithstanding that Flacco et al will probably turn in some stats that will remind us of Vinny lighting up the skies! And they will also be a factor in minimizing the loss of Suggs if they can consistently pin opposing offenses with bad field position such that our D can tee off on them. What we can't afford are when our kick-offs only reach the 5 or 10, and the returns are out to the 35 and 40, and our punts are returned for 20+ yards.
    And not to sound too negative, but I'm having "good thoughts" about the FG game!

    If the STs can address those types of things, I think the defense can shine, and the offense may surprise even the most optimistic fans.

    Of course, this is all just one guy's opinion....




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