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    Thumbs up Most Underrated Players per Fox Sports



    I apologize if this has already been posted, but I just noticed this list when I was scrolling on the most overrated players thread link.

    1. Joe Flacco, QB, Ravens- Last year at this time, we were all laughing at Eli Manning for suggesting he was an elite quarterback worthy of the same breath as Tom Brady. This year, Joe Flacco’s catching heat for saying he belongs in that conversation. He does. Fantasy football stats be damned, he’s taken Baltimore to two AFC Championship Games, has won four career playoff games on the road, and was a Lee Evans drop away from beating the Patriots up in Foxborough in last year’s AFC Championship Game. He throws the best deep ball in the NFL and has the respect of his teammates. It’s time we start respecting him, too.

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    Re: Fox Sports Most Underrated- #1 Joe Flacco

    Wow.

    Fox, huh?
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    Re: Fox Sports Most Underrated- #1 Joe Flacco

    Yeah this is different than before. Nice that Flacco is #1 on that list, but he's already convinced the league. The fans outside of Baltimore are just in denial at this point. There is that "no way that Flacco can be good because they are a defensive team only" vibe out there.




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    Re: Fox Sports Most Underrated- #1 Joe Flacco

    I've really started to notice recently that outside of Baltimore, the perception is really starting to change on Flacco. He isn't being debated as just a good QB like in years past, he's now being debated as an elite QB. Then you get morons like Skip, Jamie Dukes, and Heath Evans who think he's average. Get over it guys, you where all saying shit about Eli 2 seasons back, and look at what slapped you in the face. I can easily see the same thing coming with Flacco about a mile away. Funny thing is, most of those doubters will continue as if nothing has happened and even claim that they always knew Flacco was great.




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    Re: Fox Sports Most Underrated- #1 Joe Flacco

    Everyone is jumping on the bandwagon. Might as well do it early I guess lol




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    Re: Most Underrated Players per Fox Sports

    While I generally agree that he's an underrated player ...

    "He throws the best deep ball in the NFL"

    ... anyone who watched the Ravens last year knows that he had some accuracy/timing issues with his deep ball. Just because he has a strong arm or because he might have thrown a higher percentage of deep passes doesn't mean he has the best deep ball.




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    Quote Originally Posted by Kyle Cactus View Post
    While I generally agree that he's an underrated player ...

    "He throws the best deep ball in the NFL"

    ... anyone who watched the Ravens last year knows that he had some accuracy/timing issues with his deep ball. Just because he has a strong arm or because he might have thrown a higher percentage of deep passes doesn't mean he has the best deep ball.
    Anyone that watched last year would also realize there was more to it than that also. One example is Torrey took blame for not finishing routes on two separate occasions. Even down to the system we play which requires more longer throws to begin with, as opposed to others who only hit the wide open guy from time to time. He is one of the better deep ball throwers in the league, imo, even if his percentage isnt.
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    Re: Most Underrated Players per Fox Sports

    Quote Originally Posted by Kyle Cactus View Post
    While I generally agree that he's an underrated player ...

    "He throws the best deep ball in the NFL"

    ... anyone who watched the Ravens last year knows that he had some accuracy/timing issues with his deep ball. Just because he has a strong arm or because he might have thrown a higher percentage of deep passes doesn't mean he has the best deep ball.
    Only Eli was better than Flacco last year in yardage and comp % on passes over 41 yards. Flacco was 5/16 235 yards 2tds 0ints
    Eli was 5/13 278 yards 1td 0ints. Aaron Rodgers had less completions yardage and 3 tds.




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    Re: Most Underrated Players per Fox Sports

    I'm not saying he's a bad deep ball thrower, but he's clearly not the best (at least not last year IMO). And yea, Torrey may have cost him a few deep completions by slowing up, but I'd still put most of their down field missed connections on Joe.




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    Re: Most Underrated Players per Fox Sports

    Quote Originally Posted by Kyle Cactus View Post
    I'm not saying he's a bad deep ball thrower, but he's clearly not the best (at least not last year IMO). And yea, Torrey may have cost him a few deep completions by slowing up, but I'd still put most of their down field missed connections on Joe.
    Also keep in mind Torrey drew the most pass interference calls last year.




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    Re: Most Underrated Players per Fox Sports

    Quote Originally Posted by Paintballguy View Post
    Only Eli was better than Flacco last year in yardage and comp % on passes over 41 yards. Flacco was 5/16 235 yards 2tds 0ints
    Eli was 5/13 278 yards 1td 0ints. Aaron Rodgers had less completions yardage and 3 tds.
    41 yards seems like an odd cutoff...

    I did try to look up some numbers for this but to no avail so far. I'm not sure where you can find good "deep ball" statistics. If anyone can provide a link that would be great. But again, from my memory of watching the Ravens last year, I would say he's not the best deep ball thrower, and given the sample sizes likely involved this might be an area where just watching the plays is a better indicator than going off the stats.




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    Quote Originally Posted by Kyle Cactus View Post
    I'm not saying he's a bad deep ball thrower, but he's clearly not the best (at least not last year IMO). And yea, Torrey may have cost him a few deep completions by slowing up, but I'd still put most of their down field missed connections on Joe.
    The end of the Cards and Steelers away games say hello.
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    Re: Most Underrated Players per Fox Sports

    Yeah it is just a 0-10, 11-20, 21-30, 31-40, 41-plus scale.

    But it is odd to me because who actually sits there and counts the yards the ball was actually in the air?
    And one yard or two yards from someone's perspective can throw the entire stats out of whack.

    I guess they have stats on everything, so I wouldn't be surprised.
    But still. I know Joe had more than 5 completions over 41, but just not all of them 41 yards in the air.

    Example, Eli had a 11-20 yard pass bounce off a defender, pop up into the air and Cruz catches it and goes ~90 yards for the score. Did that count as a 41+ yard pass completion for a TD for Eli?




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    Re: Most Underrated Players per Fox Sports

    David Diehl???




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    Re: Most Underrated Players per Fox Sports

    Quote Originally Posted by HoustonRaven View Post
    The end of the Cards and Steelers away games say hello.
    Pointing out a few examples of good down field throws doesn't really disprove my assertion, but I can see what you're getting at. There were definitely moments when Flacco made clutch or otherwise impressive throws down field. He has a big arm, so there's no question he's capable of that. I guess I feel he's inconsistent in that area.

    Maybe it's unfair to expect consistency on long passes, but I seem to remember watching a few too many plays last year where a player was open down field and all we needed was a decent pass from Flacco to make the play. Specifically, I remember him overthrowing Torrey Smith a bunch of times, and while some of those may have been on Torrey for slowing up, in most instances it seemed to me that it was just an overthrow.

    I'm just going off memory, so I could definitely be off the mark, but that's what I saw. For the record I think the guys a very good QB, I'm just not ready to anoint him the best deep ball thrower in the NFL.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ravens44 View Post
    Yeah it is just a 0-10, 11-20, 21-30, 31-40, 41-plus scale.
    Thanks. Good to know.




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