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    Re: Mike Wallace to Report to Steelers this weekend



    Quote Originally Posted by bensmotorcyclehelmt View Post
    Can Wallace get what he wants salary wise considering the steelers cap situation?
    Or would it take some seriosu restructuring?
    Let us start here. Nobody is going to give him Larry Fitzgerald money, even if he hits FA. Now, if his demands have lowered, they are still likely higher than what Brown was given by the team. It would take some serious restructuring to fit it in and Pittsburgh is already in a pickle when it comes to restructuring.
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    Re: Mike Wallace to Report to Steelers this weekend

    Quote Originally Posted by JAB1985 View Post
    Im not the biggest Wallace supporter. I dont think hes as good as some say, or at least as complete at WR regardless that hes a Steeler. although he is one of the best at taking the top off a D. this thought that hes a head case or troublemaker just needs to be dropped. hes neither. His "head case" issues are that he wants paid as well as he can in a career thats typically pretty short. I dont blame him, i dont agree with him that hes worth Fitz money, but i dont blame him for trying to get as much as he can.
    I agree with you. It's another debate of how good he really is, but he isn't a head case off the field or anything. Like I said, and what you've just said, his issue is money. He has a delusion that he deserves Fitzgerald type money, which he obviously doesn't, he just isn't that good. Right now I'd put him in the tier 2 type category.




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    Re: Mike Wallace to Report to Steelers this weekend

    Quote Originally Posted by The Excellector View Post
    Let us start here. Nobody is going to give him Larry Fitzgerald money, even if he hits FA. Now, if his demands have lowered, they are still likely higher than what Brown was given by the team. It would take some serious restructuring to fit it in and Pittsburgh is already in a pickle when it comes to restructuring.
    The Steelers could probably just about to afford him if they franchise him, and that's with a bunch of restructuring, and a cluster fuck of cutting older players, it may even cost them James Harrison. I have some doubt that they will want another hold out from him, along with being handcuffed cap wise just to have him for another year.

    If he hits free agency, a team is going to outbid the Steelers are significantly over pay. They will get them selves a great deep threat, and someone who can be a very good #1 receiver, but will likely have to pay Calvin Johnson type money for a tier two WR.




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    Re: Mike Wallace to Report to Steelers this weekend

    Apparently they never lowered their offer of 2.7 million when they could have lowered that considerably. They surely told him to play for that this year and he would be restructured after this year. Which, has been accurately pointed out, will be difficult. Either way, he has to perform this year. He was rumored to be in Florida training and living in Ike Taylor's house. It was also rumored that he had his hands on the playbook the entire time. Which if true, tells me he knew he was coming back anyway. His problem was he had an average second half of the season, which really hurt his bargaining position.

    He will have to perform if he wants to earn the big bucks. Which makes me happy - as he will do everything he can to learn the playbook, make big plays, and be a major contributor to the offense. Even if that means only one more year as a Steeler. If he is traded, I hope they trade him to a totally different division. I hope he signs real soon and gets on the field for at least one practice game at the soonest, and the season opener at the latest. His presence will help the offense exponentially.




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    Re: Mike Wallace to Report to Steelers this weekend

    Quote Originally Posted by Boulderraven View Post
    2 things here.

    He can appear at camp not sign tender and have 2 weeks to workout longterm deal.

    Or he can sign tender have 2 weeks to workout longterm deal and sit himself til week 10.

    He won't play a game until he gets longterm deal before season. He won't sign tender and play, Steelers won't negotiate until he SHOWS up at camp.

    Nothing has changed in reality he wants what he thinks he's worth and if he doesn't get it will only suit
    Up for 6 games to accrue a season.
    OK, none of this really makes any sense.

    1. He's coming into camp to sign his tender. Otherwise, there's no reason for him to come to camp.

    2. Once he signs his tender, he's under contract and he can't sit out, at least, not without being fined or suspended by the team.

    3. If he reports as it appears he's going to do this weekend, he's most certainly going to play this season, starting week 1.

    4. If he didn't want to play until the last 6 games - in order to get an accrued season toward being a UFA next year - he'd simply not show up and not sign his tender until then.

    5. So, by reporting and signing his tender - EVERYTHING has most definitely changed.
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    Re: Mike Wallace to Report to Steelers this weekend

    Quote Originally Posted by Complex View Post
    Apparently they never lowered their offer of 2.7 million when they could have lowered that considerably. They surely told him to play for that this year and he would be restructured after this year. Which, has been accurately pointed out, will be difficult. Either way, he has to perform this year. He was rumored to be in Florida training and living in Ike Taylor's house. It was also rumored that he had his hands on the playbook the entire time. Which if true, tells me he knew he was coming back anyway. His problem was he had an average second half of the season, which really hurt his bargaining position.

    He will have to perform if he wants to earn the big bucks. Which makes me happy - as he will do everything he can to learn the playbook, make big plays, and be a major contributor to the offense. Even if that means only one more year as a Steeler. If he is traded, I hope they trade him to a totally different division. I hope he signs real soon and gets on the field for at least one practice game at the soonest, and the season opener at the latest. His presence will help the offense exponentially.
    If it's been accurately pointed out that it would be difficult, why should Wallace believe that it would happen?
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    Re: Mike Wallace to Report to Steelers this weekend

    Difficult does not mean it won't happen. The Steelers are pretty straightforward with their word. Just look at the Brown deal. That was a message to Wallace as much as it was a reward and incentive for Brown. When nobody made an offer for him, he should have immediately taken the the offer the Steelers offered him. By refusing, and missing camp and preseason, he did nothing for his situation. He should have come to camp and earned his next contract. A great year will increase his position considerably, a mediocre year, or even a sub-par year will absolutely destroy his chances at anything near what a top-shelf receiver makes.

    Of course I cannot get into his mind, or nor can I even imagine the amount of money at stake. And I don't criticize his choices. However, I don't think there can be an argument over the fact that once nobody made an offer for him that he only hurt himself and his team by not showing up to camp.

    Quote Originally Posted by The Excellector View Post
    If it's been accurately pointed out that it would be difficult, why should Wallace believe that it would happen?




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    Re: Mike Wallace to Report to Steelers this weekend

    Quote Originally Posted by B-more Ravor View Post
    OK, none of this really makes any sense.

    1. He's coming into camp to sign his tender. Otherwise, there's no reason for him to come to camp.

    2. Once he signs his tender, he's under contract and he can't sit out, at least, not without being fined or suspended by the team.

    3. If he reports as it appears he's going to do this weekend, he's most certainly going to play this season, starting week 1.

    4. If he didn't want to play until the last 6 games - in order to get an accrued season toward being a UFA next year - he'd simply not show up and not sign his tender until then.

    5. So, by reporting and signing his tender - EVERYTHING has most definitely changed.

    You nailed it. A young guy with a small contract is not going to sit out and pass up 2.7 million.




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    Re: Mike Wallace to Report to Steelers this weekend

    Wallace could get a loan for alot more than 2.7 mil. from someone. Why play for 2.7 and risk injury when you know you will have a big payday next year. Take the loan come back for the last 6 games,"tweek" a hammy in the 1st game back and become a FA at the end of the year. He's already pushed it this far why stop now.




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    Re: Mike Wallace to Report to Steelers this weekend

    Quote Originally Posted by Complex View Post
    When nobody made an offer for him, he should have immediately taken the the offer the Steelers offered him. By refusing, and missing camp and preseason, he did nothing for his situation. He should have come to camp and earned his next contract. A great year will increase his position considerably, a mediocre year, or even a sub-par year will absolutely destroy his chances at anything near what a top-shelf receiver makes.

    Of course I cannot get into his mind, or nor can I even imagine the amount of money at stake. And I don't criticize his choices. However, I don't think there can be an argument over the fact that once nobody made an offer for him that he only hurt himself and his team by not showing up to camp.
    It isn't that nobody made an offer for him, it's that nobody wanted to make him an offer AND give the steelers a first round draft pick. Also, after seeing how VJax held out 10 weeks last year and still got paid, I don't think Wallace is hurting his situation by holding out. Plus there will be a fair number of teams that need to spend big bucks to get over the salary floor next year, so free agency should be a frenzy of crazy deals.

    He is definitely hurting the steelers by holding out of camp. Is he hurting himself and his future earning potential? Well, since it is fairly obvious he won't be re-signed by the steelers now that the Brown deal is inked, I'd say his earning potential won't go up or down whether he reports now or in week 10.




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    Re: Mike Wallace to Report to Steelers this weekend

    Bottom line is the Steelers cant sign him now so he has to play under the RFA tender. and if they want to sign him long term or tag him it will cost the a lot of vets plus some more restructuring which will tighten their cap bind even more. If they tagged him he will almost def hold out again and they cant afford the $9 mil cap hit on a hold out.

    No one is giving him Calvin Johnson money like someone here said, someone may be stupid and pay him fitz money but not PIT. They cant even give him the deal they gave to brown with out cutting a bunch of players inlcuding Harrison.




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