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    Re: Is there any possibility that Jacoby Jones is not the third WR come week 1?



    Quote Originally Posted by JAB1985 View Post
    if youre just talking about ability to take a top off the defense by running 9 routes, than yeah i think it does. its straight line speed they have to respect. could the 40 be off from his game speed... sure, but so could Williams. the fact that theyre that close means theyre at least comparable in that aspect. Im not really arguing that there are some guys that are known as down field threats that arent fast (brandon lloyd ran a 4.62 but averages 15.4 ypc), but i think those guys do so with route running not speed, which neither Laquan or Jones are really known for. even if he is a bit faster what does that gain him vs Williams if he cant catch the ball consistently?
    Players also get faster by time, again 2007 was a while ago now, and it's obvious that Jones has more game speed than LQW. For example, could LQW have executed that end around that Jones did? I doubt it, that was blazing pure speed.




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    Re: Is there any possibility that Jacoby Jones is not the third WR come week 1?

    Don't get me started, we were a dropped/stripped ball away from the Super Bowl, so who do we replace him with? A guy famous for dropping the fucking ball....




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    Re: Is there any possibility that Jacoby Jones is not the third WR come week 1?

    Quote Originally Posted by leachisabeast View Post
    Players also get faster by time, again 2007 was a while ago now, and it's obvious that Jones has more game speed than LQW. For example, could LQW have executed that end around that Jones did? I doubt it, that was blazing pure speed.
    players get faster?... im not sure i believe that. play faster as the game slows down, yeah, but actually get faster? i dont think i believe that.

    lets not start praising end arounds before Cam sees this... when they work they sure do look good, but when they dont, which is usually the case, he wouldnt have looked so fast. if williams could or couldnt have done that, no idea and quite frankly i dont want my WRs running end arounds i want them catching balls 10+ yards down field.
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    Re: Is there any possibility that Jacoby Jones is not the third WR come week 1?

    Laquan looked good, aside form that pesky thing of catching the darn ball. And still, I noted only two that he probably should have had early.
    He made some nice moves to get open in the intermediate and also sat down well in space.
    If he holds on to one or two of those that he missed and there's no doubt he's #3.
    Jones should hope he locks up the return job because he looks like #4 at WR to me.




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    Re: Is there any possibility that Jacoby Jones is not the third WR come week 1?

    This is really all you need to know... granted its one play, but each makes for a relatively accurate description of said player overall.

    Wide Receiver

    LaQuan Williams reached his quota of one eye-opening catch per day when he looked like he climbed an invisible ladder to catch a pass over Omar Brown. It was hard to clearly make out how high he went up to haul in the pass but a conservative estimate would be 9-10 feet.

    Jacoby Jones dropped a pass from Tyrod Taylor in the back of the end zone. He made the attempt over his shoulder with his arms extended; however, when the ball hit his hands, it rolled off his fingertips for an incomplete pass.
    LEEEEACH finds paydirt, Jacobys slippery hands keep showing up and only one kicker is good from 60

    Williams still has ability to haul in the amazing pass consistently, while Jones drops routine passes consistently.
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    Re: Is there any possibility that Jacoby Jones is not the third WR come week 1?

    Quote Originally Posted by Captain Silver View Post
    Don't get me started, we were a dropped/stripped ball away from the Super Bowl, so who do we replace him with? A guy famous for dropping the fucking ball....
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    Re: Is there any possibility that Jacoby Jones is not the third WR come week 1?

    Is Jones the 3rd best WR on this team? No.
    Will Jones start vs. CIN as the #3...you bet he will. And he will be the #3 until he loses it...during the regular season.

    Right now, the 3rd best WR on this team is LQW.
    His two drops vs. DET were very much contended/defended.

    I see no regression in sight with LQW and I'm very much looking forward to him going against #1s/nickels when it counts.
    If ever he has that cliche "breakout game" (like a 4/100/2) during the season then it will be incredibly hard to keep him out of the rotation.




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    Re: Is there any possibility that Jacoby Jones is not the third WR come week 1?

    I know I'm mostly alone on this but I think Jones will be and, more importantly, should be the number 3 WR come opening day. I think the biggest advantage that Jones has over Williams that is being overlooked is his run after catch ability. A case could be made that Jones is the best on the team in this area, and it's exciting to know that we may be able to run an effective WR screen with him. As far as the reverse, there were two defenders that had the angle on Jones and in years past, that goes for a three yard gain (as we've seen many times). Sure, his hands are shaky at best but Torrey's were last year as well (he had at least 3 drops in the Steelers game alone, in addition to the drop-turned-INT against the Bills), and I don't think many here would say that Torrey's risk last season outweighed his reward. To me, Jacoby is the same as Torrey last year- high risk but higher reward.




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    Re: Is there any possibility that Jacoby Jones is not the third WR come week 1?

    Quote Originally Posted by Captain Silver View Post
    Don't get me started, we were a dropped/stripped ball away from the Super Bowl, so who do we replace him with? A guy famous for dropping the fucking ball....
    Dude you make the Ravens sound insane, literally.




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    Re: Is there any possibility that Jacoby Jones is not the third WR come week 1?

    I think he'll definetely be the 3rd WR when the season starts but he could allow others to eat into his snaps and his role.

    He is the 2nd best proven vertical target we have currently and when he's in their teams have to gameplan for his ability to get on top of coverage. Even if he isnt being targeting he can effectively clear out coverage like the Saints used Robert Meachem.

    I think what will happen if he doesnt show improvement is another WR will eat into his snaps and he may have the type of routes he runs in games condensed to just fly patterns, reverses, red zone fades and designed clear outs.

    Hopefully Doss continues to stay healthy and he becomes that guy eats into his snaps. Imo he's the best player from a skill set standpoint and he has terrific hands. Laquan has really come on as a player as well and probably has more deep speed then Doss.

    I couldnt be happier with the game planning and structural improvements made to the offense and i'd hate to have drops and inconsistency discourage the coaching staff from continuing this course. Drops like the one JJ had on 3rd down in the last game just kill momentum. He can still be very useful, hopefully they just dont rely on him too much, allow him to play to his strengths.




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    Re: Is there any possibility that Jacoby Jones is not the third WR come week 1?

    Quote Originally Posted by Corey View Post
    Dude you make the Ravens sound insane, literally.
    Trust me, he is going to end up in the hall of fame FA signings with Leon Searcy and Dominique Foxworth.




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    Re: Is there any possibility that Jacoby Jones is not the third WR come week 1?

    I'm taking the guy not many people are talking about and going out on a limb here, but Tandon Doss will eventually be the #3 receiver this year, not LQW.




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    Re: Is there any possibility that Jacoby Jones is not the third WR come week 1?

    Quote Originally Posted by Captain Silver View Post
    Trust me, he is going to end up in the hall of fame FA signings with Leon Searcy and Dominique Foxworth.
    I don't think his contract is large enough to warrant that. And I am really hoping that Doss or Williams or anyone overtake him before we get to the point where a dropped pass ends our season for the 3rd year in a row.




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    Re: Is there any possibility that Jacoby Jones is not the third WR come week 1?

    Quote Originally Posted by Carey View Post
    Hopefully Doss continues to stay healthy and he becomes that guy eats into his snaps. Imo he's the best player from a skill set standpoint and he has terrific hands. Laquan has really come on as a player as well and probably has more deep speed then Doss.

    I couldnt be happier with the game planning and structural improvements made to the offense and i'd hate to have drops and inconsistency discourage the coaching staff from continuing this course. Drops like the one JJ had on 3rd down in the last game just kill momentum. He can still be very useful, hopefully they just dont rely on him too much, allow him to play to his strengths.
    They'll have to, because teams are going to focus on Torrey and Boldin, and dare us to hit Jones in tight windows. That's absolute poison. If I were Flacco I wouldn't throw the ball anywhere above his shins for fear he'd tip it right to a DB.

    Jones is absolute offensive poison. Please Doss, make it happen. I don't want Jones anywhere above 5th on the depth chart. He's just not a viable player on a team that's likely, once again, a play or two away from a championship. He's a team-killer. Come on Doss, LaQuan, and Deonte, pour it on and shove this clown to the bottom of the depth chart before he ruins our season!!!




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    Re: Is there any possibility that Jacoby Jones is not the third WR come week 1?

    Quote Originally Posted by NC Raven View Post
    They'll have to, because teams are going to focus on Torrey and Boldin, and dare us to hit Jones in tight windows. That's absolute poison. If I were Flacco I wouldn't throw the ball anywhere above his shins for fear he'd tip it right to a DB.

    Jones is absolute offensive poison. Please Doss, make it happen. I don't want Jones anywhere above 5th on the depth chart. He's just not a viable player on a team that's likely, once again, a play or two away from a championship. He's a team-killer. Come on Doss, LaQuan, and Deonte, pour it on and shove this clown to the bottom of the depth chart before he ruins our season!!!
    This is spot on. No one in Houston was crying to see him leave.




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