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    Re: Williams turns down contract



    In my opinion, the risk/reward factor makes this a poor gamble for Cary. Let's just assume that $10 million of the $15 million was guaranteed. If he plays well, he's probably not going to get more than $18-$20 guaranteed in free agency this upcoming offseason. Ignore the total value of the contract since nobody ever reaches the max amount.

    In my opinion, the risk factor that Williams sucks or gets injured and is out of football within two years is much higher than him hitting a big haul this offseason. Given the volatility of the sport and the age deterioration of his position, it was a gamble I wouldn't have taken if I was in his shoes. Williams forgets where he came from. Two years ago, he was battling just to make an NFL roster. 2.7 years ago, he was being released by the Titans, one of the worst teams in the NFL in 2009. He would have killed for the opportunity to be offered a $15 million contract back then. He would have killed for that type of contract even entering last year. Now, just because he happened to start all 18 games last year for us, thanks mainly to an injury to Jimmy Smith, he suddenly views himself as a top-tier free agent. He played reasonably well, mind you, but this is not a shutdown cornerback. This is a guy who was probably the 11th best defensive starter on a top 5 defense. That indicates his success was a byproduct of the atmosphere and not any elevated level of play on his end. For his sake, hope the conditions remain the same for him in 2012, because if the reduced pass rush we are seeing so far continues, it could be a long year for Cary and he could be looking at half of that $15 million in 2013 free agency.




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    Quote Originally Posted by LukeDaniel View Post
    I don't get this comment at all. Can you elaborate?

    Foxworth never held out for money. Foxworth never, to my knowledge, showed the least bit of cockiness or thinking that he was better than he was. His only "mistake" was agreeing to take a bloated contract from his hometown team. Sorta hard to fault him for that, isn't it? This was a colossal mistake of salary valuation on the part of the Ravens, not really anything you can pin on Foxworth. The Ravens paid him as if he was a solid #1 starter in the NFL when he hadn't been anything other than a nickleback over his first 3-4 years. Foxworth clearly wasn't a #1 CB, but he showed he could be a decent starter and played well for most of 2009, particularly down the stretch.

    I get that Foxworth was a bust and some fans aren't in love with him because of it. However, we need to look in the mirror when casting blame. Had we given Foxworth the $4-5 million/year that he deserved, instead of $7 million, his performance and his injury history wouldn't have stung as much. What was he supposed to do....not take the crazy money the Ravens gave him? Foxworth was a bust, but worked hard, carried himself well, and played decently when healthy. Don't equate Williams stupidity in turning down a nice contract to what happened with Foxworth. They are in no way related.
    You're right, I guess I kind of used the wrong words, however just because he didn't display anything didn't mean he wasn't confident that he was worth that much. I used him because of the small similarities. He wasn't good in Denver, was traded for a conditional seventh-round pick to the Falcons and had an OK year, I'm not sure if the Falcons offered him a contract, but I'm sure his head got a little big when the Ravens offered him that generous contract. That's all I'm saying with Cary, he had a good season last year, and he's probably a little more confident in himself, we (and him) can only just hope he repeats his performance last year.
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    Idiot move. If he wanted to be the 'MAN' what better place to showcase it than here? Get paid, play hard, and if we are too deep at corner, we trade him or someone else. The idea that he might not get hurt or not play that well over the next year is real. Why not take the money now?

    It is a real gamble when you consider he just came off of surgery and has looked like hell lately. It will be interesting to see how this pans out for him.




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    Lol it was a classic shrewd offer by the Ravens hoping a former 7TH rounder who has made very little in his NFL career would bite.

    I am sure his agent had a nice chuckle when that fax came through.

    Cary would have to completely implode for that type of money next year.

    If he has even an average season he will get double that. A good season? Go look at what starting corners with good size are getting on the FA market.

    Nice try by the Ravens, though.




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    Cary will get $6mill easy on the open market.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheJoeFlaccoShow View Post
    Lol it was a classic shrewd offer by the Ravens hoping a former 7TH rounder who has made very little in his NFL career would bite.

    I am sure his agent had a nice chuckle when that fax came through.

    Cary would have to completely implode for that type of money next year.

    If he has even an average season he will get double that. A good season? Go look at what starting corners with good size are getting on the FA market.

    Nice try by the Ravens, though.
    While you may be right, did anyone mention ZERO career interceptions? Oh yeah, I did on a previous post. IMO he's playing a dangerous game with his career... Bc




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    Quote Originally Posted by SC_Raven_Fan View Post
    Cary will get $6mill easy on the open market.
    And for 5 years, not 3. Big difference.

    With the guarantees in the first 3 years, what the total value tje Ravens offered him or more.

    Ravens probably only had 6-8 in guarantees/SB. Not even remotely close to what a starting corner would get on the open market.




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    Lot of money for a no INT, just off surgery player. You guys have him on a bit of a pedestal with a 30 mil contract... this isn't Deion Sanders... not even Colonel Sanders... of course Julio Jones and Matt Ryan did fry his ass like a piece of chicken.




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    Quote Originally Posted by Captain Silver View Post
    Lot of money for a no INT, just off surgery player. You guys have him on a bit of a pedestal with a 30 mil contract... this isn't Deion Sanders... not even Colonel Sanders... of course Julio Jones and Matt Ryan did fry his ass like a piece of chicken.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Captain Silver View Post
    Lot of money for a no INT, just off surgery player. You guys have him on a bit of a pedestal with a 30 mil contract... this isn't Deion Sanders... not even Colonel Sanders... of course Julio Jones and Matt Ryan did fry his ass like a piece of chicken.
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    Re: Williams turns down contract

    Kansas City's second best CB just got paid more than that this off-season. Even without the interceptions, Cary will get paid more than that amount if he plays the way he did last year.

    1.) The vast majority of Ravens defenders are over-valued on the open market
    2.) The way he played last year was good enough for him to be the top CB on about a half dozen teams around the league.
    3.) He is still in his twenties.

    This was a 'Can't hurt to try' offer by the Ravens and Cary was right to turn it down.

    Right now, he is just knocking off rust. This is where that effect comes in that a teams' fanbase downplays his play, because he won't take a team friendly deal.
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    Excell you hit it on the head with that post, it would be a dream to keep guys like your Williams, Jason Browns, Bart Scotts, Jamie Shapers and so forth but i just look at it as our FO is top notch for finding some of these talents in the late rounds or undrafted, it goes to show the type of front office we have to churn out talent like this that is hard to find in late rounds, and we always do, there is not one year some rookie late round pick or undrafted rookie didnot make an impact on a season and has us buzzin the next to see what he can do. Cary deserves a good deal, he worked his ass off and played great last season that alone will land him top CB money, hell mediocre corners these days are making top money Cary is better than average. Like Excell said it was move by the team to see if they could get Cary to bite.




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    How many interceptions does he have to date? Just asking.




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    Are people here actually knocking him for turning down that contract?




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    Quote Originally Posted by Raveninwoodlawn View Post
    Are people here actually knocking him for turning down that contract?
    A poster commented on this a while back. It is an effect that kicks in when the team is trying to extend a quality player. When the quality player does not bow before the team, the fanbase temporarily tries to degrade the player, to sort of minimize his ability to make more money.
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