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    Re: New dem ad smears/lies about mitt killing woman



    Quote Originally Posted by HoustonRaven View Post
    Right. Because campaign adds were all rainbows and puppy whiskers before him.

    Nice hyperbole.
    Wait... I thought this ad was unprecedented in it's scurrilousness.

    Just because things have long been bad on the campaign trail (which they have) doesn't mean they couldn't (and haven't) gotten substantially worse on both sides of the aisle as a result of the Citizens United ruling. We regressed when we needed progressive reform of the way campaigns operate.

    Another word for that is regulation. Of course, regulation that produces accountability is something every American should support (unless they (like you) approve of the political climate this ruling has given us).




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    Quote Originally Posted by NCRAVEN View Post
    Maybe you missed the link pointing out his campaign team knew about this story in May, yet claim to not know about it now. I think we know where priorities USA got the story from.

    BTW nobody watches CNN, do you have any other examples of it being covered?
    I saw the link. That story was told by a voter from his own perspective, and had nothing to do with the President's position or this ad itself. You can hold the President personally accountable for his words if you choose, but I think that's unfair and distracts from the bigger issues of how campaigns work. I think that should be the takeaway from this ad and those like them.

    I don't own a TV so I can't tell you much about media coverage. But just because you and those like you don't watch CNN, I know that perhaps tens of millions of people watch it. I happened to see Anderson Cooper last night, where he spent a segment highlighting the inaccuracies in the ad, and directly confronting the ad's creator about how disingenuous it was.




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    Re: New dem ad smears/lies about mitt killing woman

    Quote Originally Posted by TheExtraPoint View Post
    I saw the link. That story was told by a voter from his own perspective, and had nothing to do with the President's position or this ad itself. You can hold the President personally accountable for his words if you choose, but I think that's unfair and distracts from the bigger issues of how campaigns work. I think that should be the takeaway from this ad and those like them.
    This has nothing to do with the link, the link talks about how Obama's own campaign staff knew about this in May when THEY hosted a conference call with this guy. I am not holding the President personally accountable for the guys words. I am saying his staff coordinated with Priorities USA or at the very least made them aware of this story

    Quote Originally Posted by TheExtraPoint View Post
    I don't own a TV so I can't tell you much about media coverage. But just because you and those like you don't watch CNN, I know that perhaps tens of millions of people watch it. I happened to see Anderson Cooper last night, where he spent a segment highlighting the inaccuracies in the ad, and directly confronting the ad's creator about how disingenuous it was.
    http://www.deadline.com/2012/06/cnn-...econd-quarter/
    CNN hit a low among total viewers and the key adults 25-54 demographic, with all primetime programs posting steep declines. The network averaged 446,000 total viewers and 129,000 in the 25-54 demo in primetime.
    Far cry, from "tens of millions". Just imagine how far you're off with other things you think you "know"
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    Actually, CNN has been doing a great job recently. I find myself watching it more often than other networks.

    Just a shame they came late to the party with trying to be down the middle. They may be out of business soon.
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    Far cry, from "tens of millions". Just imagine how far you're off with other things you think you "know"
    Your link doesn't tell me anything about how many individual people watch CNN. It talks about primetime nightly averages.

    Either way, I've acknowledged I don't know anything about media. But congratulations for defeating me in an internet forum on a subject I've already acknowledged I know nothing about, and then applying that logic to the rest of my opinions to conclusively determine that I am in fact the village idiot.

    You can FINALLY sleep at night. Congratulations.




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    No fan of Obama but find Mitt an even less desirable choice. Looking at the electoral map though unless Mitt does something and fast he is pretty screwed. Obama has approx 172 all but wrapped up in states such were he leads by 10+ points and that's by Rasmussen polling. I think its a tough road to tow for It even if were a dynamic and appealing candidate but he is not and I think he ends up losing big. I have no horse in this race just find it sad the Republican party I once was proud of has turned into a bunch of crazy radical Christian freaks who say they want smaller govt (but do nothing) while wanting to legislate their version Christian morals on the rest of society. Unbelievable. I am not alone in this opinion, the Republican christian right wing has alienated most moderate republicans at a time were power is there for the taking. I mean seriously the Tea Party idiots want Rubio but would protest Condeleeza Rice who is far far more qualified andelectable cause she is pro choice..... way to marginalize your party

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    Condi turned down the job.

    Again.

    Mitt would take her in a heartbeat if she agreed to it.
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    Re: New dem ad smears/lies about mitt killing woman

    The moderates have pissed off the Christians which is why they're not voting and why they will lose again.

    The moderates have taken over the GOP and we're in this mess because W wanted to legalize 20M immigrants.

    That gave control of congress back to the DEMs and led to OBY and OBAMACARE.

    Mitt is a terrible campaigner like Mc Cain the last moderate that lost. He's unlikeable by the middle class that doesn't relate to him.

    As for the map, Rasmussen still has it about even including Florida and Ohio and Colorado and OBY isn't that far ahead in VA.

    W won the map and the WH with less popular votes than Gore and thus the re-count.

    DEMs would have never pulled this crap on Nixon and Reagan.

    The race just shouldn't be this close in the worse economy in 80 years.

    Good point about the Roberts court and what I mean about the moderates turning off the Christians.

    Rove was on the committee that interviewed Roberts. They thought he was a conservative but when Rove asked who his favorite justice was, he gave a name. I forget it but Roberts liked him because he was his own man. Another words,
    he wasn't always going with the majority and he didnt.

    But that answer should have told Rove something and he never picked up on hit so now we're in this mess.

    They're all RINOS.




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    Re: New dem ad smears/lies about mitt killing woman

    Quote Originally Posted by TheExtraPoint View Post
    Your link doesn't tell me anything about how many individual people watch CNN. It talks about primetime nightly averages.

    Either way, I've acknowledged I don't know anything about media. But congratulations for defeating me in an internet forum on a subject I've already acknowledged I know nothing about, and then applying that logic to the rest of my opinions to conclusively determine that I am in fact the village idiot.

    You can FINALLY sleep at night. Congratulations.
    Yawn...

    Nice try attempting to minimize my point, that "tens of millions" of people don't watch CNN.

    I remember a few threads back I asked if you Lib's could come to a discussion without mocking or ridicule.. guess not.
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    Re: New dem ad smears/lies about mitt killing woman

    Quote Originally Posted by AirFlacco View Post
    The race just shouldn't be this close in the worse economy in 80 years.
    I'm not sure it is that close.

    Think about this. A media (NBC) that edits 911 tapes (Treyvon Martin), won't report stories that would hurt the image of Obama, or report half-truths to protect him.

    Why should we trust their polling data to be accurate? I'm not saying they are lying, but I definitely think it's possible for example when they call... Wisconsin they call a city like Madison to get their sample. Or Virginia they call Fairfax.

    Polls are fluid, and generally don't start getting accurate till after labor day when they want to keep their credibility up for future elections.
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    Re: New dem ad smears/lies about mitt killing woman

    Obama admits what we all knew ...

    http://www.politico.com/politico44/2...ry-131577.html
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    Re: New dem ad smears/lies about mitt killing woman

    NC:

    Go to REal Clear.

    Rasmussen has them even and he's always accurate.

    His elect map is almost even.

    That's pretty close and shouldn't be but Mitt just can't sell himself. His European trip was suppose to move him up in the polls but didn't and it started out with a huge gaffe.

    As posted above, Mitt just isn't hitting back hard on these ads like
    Nixon and Reagan would have.

    Hell, even PoP Bush hit Dukakis hard.

    Remember the commercial with the tank and the commander had his head sticking out and he looked like
    Alfred E. Newman.

    It depicted Dukakis as a nut who would be commander in chief.

    It won the election for him.




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    Quote Originally Posted by TheExtraPoint View Post
    Wait... I thought this ad was unprecedented in it's scurrilousness.

    Just because things have long been bad on the campaign trail (which they have) doesn't mean they couldn't (and haven't) gotten substantially worse on both sides of the aisle as a result of the Citizens United ruling. We regressed when we needed progressive reform of the way campaigns operate.

    Another word for that is regulation. Of course, regulation that produces accountability is something every American should support (unless they (like you) approve of the political climate this ruling has given us).
    The current political climate pre-dated the ruling. And I am not sure I follow your logic as to why Citizens United somehow causes people to say more 'scurrilous' things. Free speech is free speech. "Acceptable" free speech never needs to be defended.

    The current issue isn't so much the scurrilousness of the ad, it is that anyone (the admaker) would think it would not get universally panned (i.e. that anyone would think it could be effective let alone not backfire). Of course once you realize that the Administration or the Democratic leadership have not disavowed it, and considering the other general sleaziness of Reid and today's Democratic leaders, and considering the general tendency of the MSM to carry water for or give a pass to leftist nonsense, you can see how the admakers could have convinced themselves it was worth doing.

    As for 'regulating' free speech, I think the Founders had it right when they assumed the risks of allowing the government to silence its people was much higher than the risk the people would fail to be able to correctly judge for themselves the relative value of various speech.




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    Rack it.

    Outstanding post.




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    Re: New dem ad smears/lies about mitt killing woman

    Quote Originally Posted by HoustonRaven View Post
    Wonder how much (if any) attention this story will get.
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