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Thread: Shift in Offensive Philosophies?
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08-10-2012, 12:17 AM #61On The Practice Squad
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Re: Shift in Offensive Philosophies?
Totally agree. Without an OL that gels all is lost...there is no gameplan that will work. With that said we have to go back and look at our history (at least from the point that Ogden retired) and the talent we cuurently have on the OL.
Yanda= RG=No worries...actually beyond no worries...he kicks ass and takes names
Oher= At RT..slightly above average (no false start damn it) At LT= Average
Birk= Center= He will be there on Monday night versus the Bengals. Look at his game history...he doesn't miss games...drain the knee...do surgery on the vericose veins... :) The man will be out there...average blocker in pass and run situations but he knows how to make the calls on the line.
LG= Losing Grubbs sucks...no other way to say it...but we have enough competition there in camp that I think someone will win the job and perform at least to an average grading.
LT= McKinnie- this guy needs to get healthy and motivated in a hurry...while not an elite player he may just be the key to the season. Reason being if he can play as well as he did last year at LT (which was average and no way Elite) and we can keep Oher at RT the Oline will be playing in their "natural" positions. We will not have a great OL but we will have one that gets the job done (at least better than they did tonight).
My personal opinion...I think we see the same Ravens team as last year with slight improvements to the offense in regards to Flacco's maturity and progression and the addition of Jones opening up the underneath. We see a slightly different defense...the loss of Suggs hurts...who will make up that sack total (Upshaw, Kruger, Kindle...all of the three???) and those forced fumbles. Also, what no one else talks about in any thread that I read is the loss of Jaret Johnson...that man was an unsung hero...no fancy stats to be had but he could set an edge that when I look at the roster I don't see a replacement for. On the back end of our defense I don't see a better unit in the league. Webb (future HOF mark my words), Smith (getting ready to come into his own), Reed (he is still Reed...just doesn't like to hit as hard but still is the best center fielder around), Pollard (he makes up for Reed not wanting to hit hard...this is all Pollard wants to do and he does it well), and Williams (got abused by Julius Jones tonight who is in my opinion the next coming of Calvin Johnson) who is more than capable of being a CB #2 or #3.
All points considered, I think we are slightly better in terms of talent (and maturity) than last year. We missed the big show by one dropped pass (and one shanked field goal for a tie and who the hell knows what would have happened next, hope Tucker earns and wins the job).
Call me optimistic but I think we are going to be slighlty improved from last year...and slightly improved is just what we need. GO RAVENS!
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08-10-2012, 05:46 AM #62Four-eyed Raven
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Re: Shift in Offensive Philosophies?
Maybe just getting some speed at WR. We've always had slow receivers in the Cam-Harbaugh-Flacco era, until Torrey Smith came along last season. Now Smith + Jacoby Jones + the backup guys gives us the first speedy WR corps since – well, in many many years.
Corresponds with Joe's leg injury that year?
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08-10-2012, 05:50 AM #63Four-eyed Raven
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08-10-2012, 06:06 AM #64Four-eyed Raven
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Re: Shift in Offensive Philosophies?
Ok, but if we put Jones and Torrey on the outside to stretch the field, with Boldin in the slot, and Leach & Rice in the backfield, that's five guys so that leaves us in a formation with no TE. Can you run the ball consistently with no TE, ie one less run blocker in the formation?
With 5 O-linemen and a QB on the field, there's only room for 5 "other" players on the field. Most commonly that's:
- 2 RBs, 1 TE, 2 WR (standard pro set)
- 1 RB, 2 TE, 2 WR
- 1 RB, 1 TE, 3 WR
And then there's variations, like spread with 1 RB/4WR, or empty backfield with just TEs and WRs, or jumbo/goal-line with 2 RBs and 3 TEs, and so forth.
But there is no formation that gets all of our best weapons on the field at the same time. We just can't have Rice and Leach and Torrey Smith and Boldin and Jacoby Jones and Dickson/Pitta. That's too many guys, unless we take off an O-lineman or Joe.
That's something fans on this board need to think about more often. Every time we put a guy into the offensive formation, we take another guy off the field. If we put a 3 WR out there (Jacoby Jones) to "stretch the field", then Leach or Dickson has to come off. If put a second TE out there, then Leach or a WR needs to come off. Etc. Every time we add a threat we take a different one away.
Our offense just can't be everything at once. It's not within the rules.
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08-10-2012, 07:14 AM #67Steve Flacco, Apparently
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Putting a 6'1 215 lb WR at tight end isn't creative, it's lunacy.
Boldin may be a better run blocking WR than Dickson or Pitta are run blocking TEs, but that's still an apples to 265 pound oranges comparison.My motto was always to keep swinging. Whether I was in a slump or feeling badly or having trouble off the field, the only thing to do was keep swinging. -Hank Aaron
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08-10-2012, 12:09 PM #70Hall Of Fame Poster
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Re: Shift in Offensive Philosophies?
I've seen Boldin put offensive linemen on their ass. Dickson missed a block in the game, as usual, that almost got Ray Rice smeared in the turf.
"Please take with you this final sword, The Excellector. I am praying that your journey will be guided by the light", Leon Shore
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08-11-2012, 04:54 PM #72
Re: Shift in Offensive Philosophies?
The offense did nothing the entire first quarter. The tone for that may have been set by Cam, on the first offensive play, calling the same first running play that gashed the Pats for an 83 yard TD the previous season (as if that wasn't something their defense would be looking for, considering that Belichik had probably shown the film of that play over and over and over leading up to the game.) Rice was stuffed. Then stuffed again.
Three possessions, zero first downs. Cam finally started calling some rollouts, and that's when the offense started moving. Late in the game, before the final drive, the offense again didn't do much for three possessions.Al
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