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    Quote Originally Posted by Raveninwoodlawn View Post
    So Boldin, Evans, Clayton and Housh were known for dropping crucial passes before we brought them in here? I'm sorry, I missed the games and reports of Boldin and Housh dropping passes, Clayton dropping passes in college before we drafted him.
    I missed those reports too, which is probably why what you're implying I said is not what I said. I was referencing Clayton, Housh, Boldin and Evans having awful drops in crucial situations, which they did. Clearly, awful drops in crucial situations is something that has haunted us the past few years. Perhaps my wording made it seem like I was saying those guys were known for drops, but I was just trying to say that after having seen all those drops (from people NOT known for them!), actually bringing in someone (JONES) known for drops seems silly. I know we don't see of Jones what the coaches see day in and day out, and I don't contest he might enliven the special teams. But as for the drops, knowing we are getting them with him does not seem smart. That was my only point.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Raveninwoodlawn View Post
    These are the same people, who are trying to play the "I knew it" card and calling for people who don't agree with them to "eat crow".
    Dude seriously, calm down. I didn't "call" for anyone to eat crow: I said if Jones ends up doing what he is known for doing--i.e., dropping passes and making bone-headed plays--then people will have to admit they were wrong about him. If he ends up flying in the face of his own history and having a stellar year where he doesn't drive us fans crazy in the exact same ways he drove Houston fans crazy, then I will gladly eat my own fresh plate of bird.
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    He will only see the field as a returner (until he starts fumbling) and on deep routes and times as a decoy. Other times it will be Boldin/Smith/Doss or williams.




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    Quote Originally Posted by akashicrecorder View Post
    I missed those reports too, which is probably why what you're implying I said is not what I said. I was referencing Clayton, Housh, Boldin and Evans having awful drops in crucial situations, which they did. Clearly, awful drops in crucial situations is something that has haunted us the past few years. Perhaps my wording made it seem like I was saying those guys were known for drops, but I was just trying to say that after having seen all those drops (from people NOT known for them!), actually bringing in someone (JONES) known for drops seems silly. I know we don't see of Jones what the coaches see day in and day out, and I don't contest he might enliven the special teams. But as for the drops, knowing we are getting them with him does not seem smart. That was my only point.

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    Dude seriously, calm down. I didn't "call" for anyone to eat crow: I said if Jones ends up doing what he is known for doing--i.e., dropping passes and making bone-headed plays--then people will have to admit they were wrong about him. If he ends up flying in the face of his own history and having a stellar year where he doesn't drive us fans crazy in the exact same ways he drove Houston fans crazy, then I will gladly eat my own fresh plate of bird.
    lol, you said some members would have to line up for some crow. I'm saying nobody is...and really people shouldn't be starting or co-signing in threads like this.

    People make him out to be Travis Taylor or something with the drops.

    He has drop rat percentage lower than guys like Desean Jackson, Steve Smith, Wes Welker and Miles Austin. Give the guy a chance and at least see what his role is going to be before threads like this.




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    Quote Originally Posted by Ravenswintitle View Post
    guys he is here to return kicks, he won't see the field as a WR IMO

    Thats what scares me the most, he literally lost the TEXANS the game in the play offs. He is constantly making bad decisions. And he gets rewarded by getting a decent pay check by the team that won the game because of him.

    Pretty stupid on the RAVENS part.




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    Quote Originally Posted by Raveninwoodlawn View Post
    lol, you said some members would have to line up for some crow. I'm saying nobody is...and really people shouldn't be starting or co-signing in threads like this.

    People make him out to be Travis Taylor or something with the drops.

    He has drop rat percentage lower than guys like Desean Jackson, Steve Smith, Wes Welker and Miles Austin. Give the guy a chance and at least see what his role is going to be before threads like this.
    But look at how much these other WRERS get targeted more.




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    Quote Originally Posted by Raveninwoodlawn View Post
    So Boldin, Evans, Clayton and Housh were known for dropping crucial passes before we brought them in here? I'm sorry, I missed the games and reports of Boldin and Housh dropping passes, Clayton dropping passes in college before we drafted him. Are you suggesting that we not bring in any WR's? We brought Boldin in here...a guy with a reputation for some of the best hands in the league. Housh as well. We get a perennial pro bowler and a guy with rep for great hands in Housh...now it's "we've seen it before". What the hell is this organization supposed to do? We can't sign guys (basically every WR that hits the market has flaws), and we can't draft guys (long long history of poor picks).

    All I'm saying is give him a chance, if nothing else, he is a good return guy where we really need it.

    Overreacting because of a single dropped pass despite all other reports saying that he has been having a good camp so far is just too much.
    If we don't bring in recievers because they have dropped passes then we may as well play the wishbone, because every reciever even the best drops passes. This thread is a little over the top.




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    wonder how he runs the end around and reverse




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    Quote Originally Posted by psuasskicker View Post
    Um, you remember what he did against us in the playoffs seven months ago, right?

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    Yeah he awarded us the game lol




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    Quote Originally Posted by Raveninwoodlawn View Post
    lol, you said some members would have to line up for some crow. I'm saying nobody is...and really people shouldn't be starting or co-signing in threads like this.

    People make him out to be Travis Taylor or something with the drops.

    He has drop rat percentage lower than guys like Desean Jackson, Steve Smith, Wes Welker and Miles Austin. Give the guy a chance and at least see what his role is going to be before threads like this.
    While I agree with your overall "wait and see" approach, this line is disingenuous. Comparing a guy who has 179 career receptions in 5 seasons to a guy who has averaged over 110 receptions per season (Welker) during that same time period. Jacoby Jones' top receiving performance was 2 season ago with 562 yards on 51 receptions. Steve Smith was 6 yards shy of 1400 yards last year with a rookie QB and no other WR to speak of.

    You can't compare Jacoby Jones to any starting-caliber receiver in any receiving category, IMO. There is too much statistical variance.
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    Quote Originally Posted by psuasskicker View Post
    Um, you remember what he did against us in the playoffs seven months ago, right?

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    The fumbled punt was an out of the ordinary occurrence for him.

    Just like Rice coughing the ball up in the playoffs against Pitts in 2009 and Heap against the Colts in 2006.
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    From Tony's update:

    Jacoby Jones quit on a 9 route. Graham didn’t and made an outstanding catch deep in the end zone for the touchback.

    Speaking of Jacoby Jones, just when you thought that he was settling in nicely and showcasing decent hands, a pass caroms off his mitts and into those of LB Albert McClellan who took it to the house for a pick 6.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mike B View Post
    If we don't bring in recievers because they have dropped passes then we may as well play the wishbone, because every reciever even the best drops passes. This thread is a little over the top.
    Way over the top. I have completely disagreed with a lot of moves the Ravens have made over the years...but I have never basically started "I told you so" threads in freaking training camp.

    Quote Originally Posted by wickedsolo View Post
    While I agree with your overall "wait and see" approach, this line is disingenuous. Comparing a guy who has 179 career receptions in 5 seasons to a guy who has averaged over 110 receptions per season (Welker) during that same time period. Jacoby Jones' top receiving performance was 2 season ago with 562 yards on 51 receptions. Steve Smith was 6 yards shy of 1400 yards last year with a rookie QB and no other WR to speak of.

    You can't compare Jacoby Jones to any starting-caliber receiver in any receiving category, IMO. There is too much statistical variance.
    It was just a stat to show that the guy isn't Patrick Stonehands Johnson out there.

    In any rate, I think drop rate is a solid stat as it is the only one that takes into account the number of catchable balls thrown someone's way. Is he going to drop some balls? I'm sure he will. Just like every WR out there. But instead of dreading him dropping a late 4th quarter pass, maybe he helps blow some close games open for us? The guy brings some skills here that we haven't had in a while.




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    Quote Originally Posted by Raveninwoodlawn View Post
    Way over the top. I have completely disagreed with a lot of moves the Ravens have made over the years...but I have never basically started "I told you so" threads in freaking training camp.



    It was just a stat to show that the guy isn't Patrick Stonehands Johnson out there.

    In any rate, I think drop rate is a solid stat as it is the only one that takes into account the number of catchable balls thrown someone's way. Is he going to drop some balls? I'm sure he will. Just like every WR out there. But instead of dreading him dropping a late 4th quarter pass, maybe he helps blow some close games open for us? The guy brings some skills here that we haven't had in a while.
    Like I said earlier in the thread, I am not a real big fan of the signing because I've never thought he was a very good receiver, but if he can produce 35-45 receptions and 500 yards as a #3 receiver, then great. He's got speed and he's tall (6'3" 210lbs) and he can jump really well. All he needs to do is catch a deep pass or two in a game to make other defenses pay attention to him and take some heat off of Boldin and Torrey. That alone will help the offense.

    I just think about him on the Texans and they had a pretty good QB in Schaub and they had a better ground game and a better #1 receiver than the Ravens currently have and he was just kind of a disappointment. Lots of natural ability, but really inconsistent. Also, considering who the Ravens have developing receivers, I doubt that Hostler is going to be able to do much more with him than what he already brings to the table. The Ravens are not very good at developing receivers.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Raveninwoodlawn View Post
    Way over the top. I have completely disagreed with a lot of moves the Ravens have made over the years...but I have never basically started "I told you so" threads in freaking training camp.



    It was just a stat to show that the guy isn't Patrick Stonehands Johnson out there.

    In any rate, I think drop rate is a solid stat as it is the only one that takes into account the number of catchable balls thrown someone's way. Is he going to drop some balls? I'm sure he will. Just like every WR out there. But instead of dreading him dropping a late 4th quarter pass, maybe he helps blow some close games open for us? The guy brings some skills here that we haven't had in a while.
    any stat that has opinion entwined with it seems a little less strong imo. when someone calls something "catchable" that can vary between opinions as much as black and white. who deems what is and isnt catchable and is that something that can be undeniably carried out across the board? probably not. maybe my unfamiliarity with it is leaving out something?

    with that said i do think he can help the offense even by being only moderate at being able to catch the ball. theyll have to respect his speed regardless if hes catching everything or not because its a TD or nothing. you leave him open hes going to catch it more often than not. teams dont respect that, it wont take long for him to prove it true.

    Quote Originally Posted by wickedsolo View Post
    The Ravens are not very good at developing receivers.
    I do think this will change now that we have an actual QB. still a wait and see at this point but i do think Flacco has that ability mildly at the moment despite our system thats not the most WR friendly.
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