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  1. #91

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    Quote Originally Posted by wickedsolo View Post
    Hmm...maybe there will be some cap room to bring in some big ticket guys? Not that I think that's how the Ravens roll, but if they have upwards of $40 mill to spare, might as well consider it...

    Greg Jennings
    Dwayne Bowe
    Mike Wallace
    Will Svitek
    Ryan Clady
    Duane Brown
    Brandon Albert
    Jake Long
    Jermon Bushrod
    Max Unger
    Geoff Hangartner
    Rey Maualuga
    William Moore
    Louis Delmas


    Obviously not many, if any, will actually be free agents, but it's possible and the Ravens will have money to throw at them.
    You have to remember though, there are still RFA's EFA's draft pool own FA etc and the other 40 players that eats up the cap money quick. 40 million may sound like a lot, but not really.

    I was just pointing out how the Ravens have structured all their top money perfectly even over the next 3 years while the Steelers have been pushing back for 2 years and finally have to pay up. I think we might have restructured one small contract and that is it.

    When all is said and done we might have around 8-10 million to play with (guess), or basically the money we had Rice locked up for, eating up our "spending money" in 2012. You could conceivably afford ONE big name addition if that is the case in 2013.

    Either way, our main competition is screwed. That is a fact. And I love it.




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    Re: Steelers Ink Antonio Brown

    Jake Long on that list

    Wow, now that would be a big signing!

    Might never happen but I can dream




  3. #93

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    Quote Originally Posted by wickedsolo View Post
    So, realistically, IF Mike Wallace sits out you're looking at a very underwhelming WR unit.

    IMO, they don't have a choice but to try and work something out with Wallace otherwise their passing offense is going to be difficult to work with just from a talent perspective. I can't believe they aren't considering Plax or even TO just for some depth.
    Almost every receiver corps in the NFL could say that, so it's not really fair to say "Sit Pitt's #1 and our WRs are better." I mean, I guess I get you're talking about the future whenever he's no longer with the team (assuming they don't sign him long-term). But that's still not really apples to apples. A lot can happen in a year. Last year we didn't think the Ravens had much at receiver behind Boldin...you can say the same about the Steelers now. Between now and next year, it's possible Sanders or someone else breaks out the way Torrey Smith did.

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  4. #94

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheJoeFlaccoShow View Post
    One thing I messed up on after looking at my spreadsheet, Harrison has TWO years left after this one and NOT one! That is a HUGE difference. They can't release him, it wouldn't save any money. So next year they will have a 35 year old pass rusher who is already in decline taking up 11 million in cap space...and they are stuck with him.

    Wow....it is even worse than I thought.
    How do you figure that they won't "save" any money by releasing Harrison after this season? From what I have read they would save either $5M or $8M (depending on whether $3M of his non-base salary 2013 comp. is considered a roster bonus) by releasing him. It is impossible to even imagine a structure that does not allow for some savings, considering the contract details we do know. Now whether that savings is so small as to not be worth it when also weighing the fact that you lose the player (and his production) is another matter; but assuming you consider him worthless, releasing him will save some cap space.

    Bonuses are only spread over 5 years. Next year is the fifth year of the deal (the total deal was for 6 years, signed in 2009 before the 2009 season). There would be no dead cap space from the 6th year of the deal, as far as I can see.




  5. #95

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    Quote Originally Posted by Haloti92 View Post
    How do you figure that they won't "save" any money by releasing Harrison after this season? From what I have read they would save either $5M or $8M (depending on whether $3M of his non-base salary 2013 comp. is considered a roster bonus) by releasing him. It is impossible to even imagine a structure that does not allow for some savings, considering the contract details we do know. Now whether that savings is so small as to not be worth it when also weighing the fact that you lose the player (and his production) is another matter; but assuming you consider him worthless, releasing him will save some cap space.

    Bonuses are only spread over 5 years. Next year is the fifth year of the deal (the total deal was for 6 years, signed in 2009 before the 2009 season). There would be no dead cap space from the 6th year of the deal, as far as I can see.
    They restructured him though, do they still have to stay within those 5 years at that point? I thought they could move that money across any the remaining years?
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  6. #96

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    Quote Originally Posted by JAB1985 View Post
    They restructured him though, do they still have to stay within those 5 years at that point? I thought they could move that money across any the remaining years?
    When and how did they restructure him? I only saw that they were talking about it (along with Ben and Colon etc). I had yet to see that they did it (unlike Ben and Colon). I can't find the report or details, but yeah if they did restructure then they could have pushed more into the future and limited the savings they could have had in 2013 by releasing him.




  7. #97

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    Quote Originally Posted by Haloti92 View Post
    When and how did they restructure him? I only saw that they were talking about it (along with Ben and Colon etc). I had yet to see that they did it (unlike Ben and Colon). I can't find the report or details, but yeah if they did restructure then they could have pushed more into the future and limited the savings they could have had in 2013 by releasing him.
    They restructured him last year with the rest of the team.
    Quarterback Ben Roethlisberger and Pro Bowl outside linebacker James Harrison have restructured their contracts to help the Steelers get under the salary cap and perhaps free some room to sign players, the Post-Gazette has learned.
    But that said, over the past few hours I have been digging and there are some details I was not aware of. They actually can release him and save a good bit of money, and they definitely will. I wasn't aware of that roster bonus.

    His cap number is 10.686, and they can save 8 million by cutting him, leaving 2.686 in dead money.

    A lot of his bonus money was paid out before the restructure last year, and that is why they can get out of that one relatively unscathed. Not so with a lot of the others.

    Of course, they have no one to replace him on the roster, along with the other players they will be cutting.




  8. #98

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheJoeFlaccoShow View Post
    They restructured him last year with the rest of the team.


    But that said, over the past few hours I have been digging and there are some details I was not aware of. They actually can release him and save a good bit of money, and they definitely will. I wasn't aware of that roster bonus.

    His cap number is 10.686, and they can save 8 million by cutting him, leaving 2.686 in dead money.

    A lot of his bonus money was paid out before the restructure last year, and that is why they can get out of that one relatively unscathed. Not so with a lot of the others.

    Of course, they have no one to replace him on the roster, along with the other players they will be cutting.
    Ok, I missed the restructure announcement, but looks like they didn't go hog-wild pushing a ton to the future years. I agree completely with your overall assessment about the (un)affordability of franchising Wallace (and even to some extent signing him to a long term deal). I was just curious about the Harrison statement because I had read (and thought interesting) that there is a decent chance that he gets released next year unless he either a) lights it up this year, or b) takes a paycut. When I had read that it surprised me, and I figured it wouldn't even be a consideration if there wasn't some kind of cap savings. Either way, like you say, the Steelers are stretched beyond thin on a relatively small number of marquee contracts.




  9. #99

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    Quote Originally Posted by Haloti92 View Post
    Ok, I missed the restructure announcement, but looks like they didn't go hog-wild pushing a ton to the future years. I agree completely with your overall assessment about the (un)affordability of franchising Wallace (and even to some extent signing him to a long term deal). I was just curious about the Harrison statement because I had read (and thought interesting) that there is a decent chance that he gets released next year unless he either a) lights it up this year, or b) takes a paycut. When I had read that it surprised me, and I figured it wouldn't even be a consideration if there wasn't some kind of cap savings. Either way, like you say, the Steelers are stretched beyond thin on a relatively small number of marquee contracts.
    I'm putting together a spreadsheet now and have been researching all the details of their big deals, and from the early results it looks like another round of restructuring everyone under the sun/along with cuts to slide under...again. That is all well and good for now, but it is extremely high risk if anyone gets hurt or does not perform.

    The bonus money portion just keeps getting bigger...and bigger...and bigger and then they are in a spot where they pretty much can't release those players with any savings. It also creates massive cap numbers relative to the players value, which even if it is only a couple million here or there trickles down to the rest of the roster eventually. And when you do it with 6-8 players year after year, it adds up.

    Back to work.




  10. #100

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    It's simple. Please follow. They chose Brown. MW grew up dirt poor. Got his tender will sign it in November for 6 games. Like VJ did, will accrue a season. Will he know the NEW offense? Do the Steelers want a headache? 5 months later at worst in March he will have about 10 million in hand for next year if Steelers keep him or alot more if dealt. THEY have to deal him, they can't AFFORD him. Steelers likely get 3rd or 4th for him cause of his contract. Broncos where going to take tender him, but he wanted between 10-11 million per year, they balked also. He in 7-8 months will be stupid rich
    And doesn't want to risk a knee in the meantime being his calling card is his Speed. So he won't play
    he has too, November and he doesn't have to be active to accrue time and can "pull" a hammy. He's
    gone. He has the Steelers by the balls, not other way around. 7 months from now he will have tons of money without really playing.




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    Quote Originally Posted by Irish Raven View Post
    Jake Long on that list

    Wow, now that would be a big signing!

    Might never happen but I can dream
    Yea, obviously that would NEVER happen. Those guys are slated to be FA's, but I doubt most of them will. Esp the LT's.
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    Quote Originally Posted by psuasskicker View Post
    Almost every receiver corps in the NFL could say that, so it's not really fair to say "Sit Pitt's #1 and our WRs are better." I mean, I guess I get you're talking about the future whenever he's no longer with the team (assuming they don't sign him long-term). But that's still not really apples to apples. A lot can happen in a year. Last year we didn't think the Ravens had much at receiver behind Boldin...you can say the same about the Steelers now. Between now and next year, it's possible Sanders or someone else breaks out the way Torrey Smith did.

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    I don't disagree with you on that at all. I was just very surprised to look at their WR depth chart and see so much unknown when we know that Roethlisberger likes to spread the ball around as much as possible. Todd Haley is probably going to temper that approach significantly, but it is still interesting. What once seemed like a promising and young WR unit for the Steelers now looks kind of shaky.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Boulderraven View Post
    It's simple. Please follow. They chose Brown. MW grew up dirt poor. Got his tender will sign it in November for 6 games. Like VJ did, will accrue a season. Will he know the NEW offense? Do the Steelers want a headache? 5 months later at worst in March he will have about 10 million in hand for next year if Steelers keep him or alot more if dealt. THEY have to deal him, they can't AFFORD him. Steelers likely get 3rd or 4th for him cause of his contract. Broncos where going to take tender him, but he wanted between 10-11 million per year, they balked also. He in 7-8 months will be stupid rich
    And doesn't want to risk a knee in the meantime being his calling card is his Speed. So he won't play
    he has too, November and he doesn't have to be active to accrue time and can "pull" a hammy. He's
    gone. He has the Steelers by the balls, not other way around. 7 months from now he will have tons of money without really playing.
    If he comes back and accrues a season then the Steelers can't "deal" him because he'll be a UFA, IIRC. Unless they franchise him and then trade him, which hardly ever happens. I bet they offered Wallace and Brown pretty much the same contract and said whichever one signs is the long term guy.
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  14. #104

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    Quote Originally Posted by wickedsolo View Post
    If he comes back and accrues a season then the Steelers can't "deal" him because he'll be a UFA, IIRC. Unless they franchise him and then trade him, which hardly ever happens. I bet they offered Wallace and Brown pretty much the same contract and said whichever one signs is the long term guy.
    from what i read thats exactly what they did. reports were coming out that Wallace accepted it, but he didnt, there was just confusion because it was the exact same contract, so they assumed it was wallace that accepted it.

    steelers make statement give mike wallace contract offer to antonio brown
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    Wallace can get more than that on the open market. We all know this.
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