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    Re: Bryant McKinnie - Not at 1st practice, Oher at LT for now.



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    Re: Bryant McKinnie - Not at 1st practice, Oher at LT for now.

    Quote Originally Posted by JAB1985 View Post
    but wasnt it just a month ago that he was at OTAs and closer to 350? That whole article about holding him out which really came down to wanting him to do cardio and lose that extra 9lbs they wanted him to? maybe it really is just a personal issue, hell eventually show up and ill wait to see what he weighs in at/looks like. Ill keep my fingers crossed.
    Yea, at the end of May during mini camp he was present at the facility and weighed around 350-360 and said he had about 15 more lbs to drop to reach his goal. Then during OTA's he was held out of practice for conditioning purposes.

    I haven't read anything since OTA's (a month ago), but considering the level of media attention this has gotten if he had reached his goal then I'm sure it would have been blasted all over br.com and pft.com, you know?

    History has shown that this guy has no personal accountability, which is why it wouldn't surprise any of us to see that he left the team facilities a month ago and just hasn't done jack shit since then and ballooned back up into the 370's or even higher.

    What's a head scratcher is that he didn't personally talk to Harbs or Cam or Ozzie and his "representative" let them know that he was dealing with personal issues and wasn't sure when he would show up. If it was an excused absence or whatever then Harbs probably would have said as much.
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    Re: Bryant McKinnie - Not at 1st practice, Oher at LT for now.

    Quote Originally Posted by TL24x7 View Post
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    Good stuff Tony.

    It really is a fairly substantial problem. Being that Harbs is kind of a no nonsense kind of guy he may just get to the point where he is fed up with McKinnie not falling in line and tell Ozzie to cut ties.
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    This should outrage every Ravens fan.

    He's obviously about as unmotivated as you can get. The team trusted him to be in minimum shape come camp and he didn't keep his word.

    If this was an athlete who had a reputation of being prepared and showed up out of shape one time, then I'd agree with those who say this isn't a big deal. The problem here is this lack of even a minimal amount of effort goes all the way back to Minnesota.
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    Re: Bryant McKinnie - Not at 1st practice, Oher at LT for now.

    Quote Originally Posted by Raveninwoodlawn View Post
    Like myself and many others (like Wicked) have said, OT...and LT in particular HAS to be priority numero uno next offseason.

    They have to address it...trade, draft, UFA somehow...something. They've been dealing with flakes or players that just aren't good enough for over 4 years now.
    Our offensive line in 09 and 08 was solid as could be, we arguably had the best Oline in 2008, and definitely a top 5 unit in 09. The problem is since Gaither quit on the team in 2010, we haven't had a legit left tackle. Everything is set on our line apart from a LT, and we need to find one desperately. As you said, I don't care if it's through a trade, a UFA, or in the draft.




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    Quote Originally Posted by wickedsolo View Post
    Yea, at the end of May during mini camp he was present at the facility and weighed around 350-360 and said he had about 15 more lbs to drop to reach his goal. Then during OTA's he was held out of practice for conditioning purposes.

    I haven't read anything since OTA's (a month ago), but considering the level of media attention this has gotten if he had reached his goal then I'm sure it would have been blasted all over br.com and pft.com, you know?

    History has shown that this guy has no personal accountability, which is why it wouldn't surprise any of us to see that he left the team facilities a month ago and just hasn't done jack shit since then and ballooned back up into the 370's or even higher.

    What's a head scratcher is that he didn't personally talk to Harbs or Cam or Ozzie and his "representative" let them know that he was dealing with personal issues and wasn't sure when he would show up. If it was an excused absence or whatever then Harbs probably would have said as much.
    i dont know why i keep remembering 9lbs. it is something that im curious about, but ill just keep my fingers crossed that hes in minimal shape and maybe just had one last bender.

    Quote Originally Posted by HoustonRaven View Post
    This should outrage every Ravens fan.

    He's obviously about as unmotivated as you can get. The team trusted him to be in minimum shape come camp and he didn't keep his word.

    If this was an athlete who had a reputation of being prepared and showed up out of shape one time, then I'd agree with those who say this isn't a big deal. The problem here is this lack of even a minimal amount of effort goes all the way back to Minnesota.
    definitely a concern in that aspect. he does have issues with motivation. on the other hand at 370-380 last year he improved our LT play immensely. Im not sure pulling the plug would be a good choice, just to prove a point. Let him come in and play and if you have somebody beat him out legitimately, then so be it. Until he shows up im not sure theres anything to do. Im wishing for him to be in moderate shape, not cut from the team. weve gone down that road with a player that didnt have the best motivation but was still a much better player than what we have now. be upset with him, dont root for him, but when hes the best option at getting us a W, i could care less about his "motivation". the best product on the field matters. I love Ohers work ethic, but hes not the LT even an unmotivated and out of shape McKinnie is, last year proved that.
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    Re: Bryant McKinnie - Not at 1st practice, Oher at LT for now.

    Quote Originally Posted by HoustonRaven View Post
    This should outrage every Ravens fan.

    He's obviously about as unmotivated as you can get. The team trusted him to be in minimum shape come camp and he didn't keep his word.

    If this was an athlete who had a reputation of being prepared and showed up out of shape one time, then I'd agree with those who say this isn't a big deal. The problem here is this lack of even a minimal amount of effort goes all the way back to Minnesota.
    Actually it goes all the way back to Miami.

    I have a friend who was a student trainer for the athletic department at The U and he was the same way back then. The coaching staff put up with it because he was talented and a man amongst boys, but he would come to meetings late he wouldn't show up to the trainer's office when he was supposed to, he would miss classes, etc. He's a typical "I'll do the bare minimum to get by and keep people off my back".
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    Quote Originally Posted by wickedsolo View Post
    Actually it goes all the way back to Miami.

    I have a friend who was a student trainer for the athletic department at The U and he was the same way back then. The coaching staff put up with it because he was talented and a man amongst boys, but he would come to meetings late he wouldn't show up to the trainer's office when he was supposed to, he would miss classes, etc. He's a typical "I'll do the bare minimum to get by and keep people off my back".
    its a shame and a waste of talent when you consider he could be great, but even so ill take a good but under performing player this year and hope to readdress it next year. thats all im saying. bit early for that speculation but a lot feel it was possible when he was in shape/showing up.
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    Re: Bryant McKinnie - Not at 1st practice, Oher at LT for now.

    Quote Originally Posted by JAB1985 View Post
    its a shame and a waste of talent when you consider he could be great, but even so ill take a good but under performing player this year and hope to readdress it next year. thats all im saying. bit early for that speculation but a lot feel it was possible when he was in shape/showing up.
    It is a shame and actually Greg Cossell talked about that last summer when the Ravens signed him.

    Cossell said McKinnie was one of the most frustrating players he's ever seen.
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    Thing is, this isn't just about his weight and conditioning.

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    Re: Bryant McKinnie - Not at 1st practice, Oher at LT for now.

    Quote Originally Posted by purplepoe View Post
    Thing is, this isn't just about his weight and conditioning.

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    Certainly doesn't seem to be that way, huh?
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    Re: Bryant McKinnie - Not at 1st practice, Oher at LT for now.

    When somebody gives you a major 'dis' the tendency is to suck it up for a bit to show them!, prove them wrong!
    And we benefited from that last year with McK.
    And now the dirty laundry is coming out and we see the start of the depths of frustration that caused Minnesota to flat out cut bait.
    When we see things like that happen, like with Gaither, we sit back and say, "well, somebody will give him a chance", and we were that somebody for McKinnie.... we had a big need (remember we were trying the Murphy(s) and LeVoir(s)

    If I had to guess, I would guess that he went home and put on some weight.... I get the feeling that unless someone is standing over him with a Taser, that he only puts out effort for what he wants.
    The loan is a smokescreen, he doesn't want to be seen until he drops 8+Lbs (IMO) he is gonna fail the conditioning drill for a while...
    All the activity with Steinbach and the OLmen is starting to make a lot of sense.

    quote from Tony's linked article
    The Ravens really have great team chemistry and they are loaded with guys who love to play football. The aloof McKinnie doesn’t really seem to be a great team guy and he doesn’t really seem to like football.
    I think the FO is now trying to assemble the best OL possible, that McK is still in the mix (as plan B or Plan C), and it wouldn't surprise me to see a late addition from another teams final cuts, or even a late trade of cuts like we did with Pittman/Moll
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    Re: Bryant McKinnie - Not at 1st practice, Oher at LT for now.

    Supposedly KO completely neutralised Aldon Smith back in 2010 when they met in the same conference. If KO can do that to a guy who just recorded 14 sacks in his rookie year for the 49ers, then I don't know if Oher really is a better option than even KO at left tackle.




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    Re: Bryant McKinnie - Not at 1st practice, Oher at LT for now.

    Quote Originally Posted by leachisabeast View Post
    Supposedly KO completely neutralised Aldon Smith back in 2010 when they met in the same conference. If KO can do that to a guy who just recorded 14 sacks in his rookie year for the 49ers, then I don't know if Oher really is a better option than even KO at left tackle.
    College game is very different than the pro game, but I do agree that I think there is some reason to believe that KO could become a LT for the Ravens.
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    Re: Bryant McKinnie - Not at 1st practice, Oher at LT for now.

    Quote Originally Posted by Rxdoxx View Post
    When somebody gives you a major 'dis' the tendency is to suck it up for a bit to show them!, prove them wrong!
    And we benefited from that last year with McK.
    And now the dirty laundry is coming out and we see the start of the depths of frustration that caused Minnesota to flat out cut bait.
    When we see things like that happen, like with Gaither, we sit back and say, "well, somebody will give him a chance", and we were that somebody for McKinnie.... we had a big need (remember we were trying the Murphy(s) and LeVoir(s)

    If I had to guess, I would guess that he went home and put on some weight.... I get the feeling that unless someone is standing over him with a Taser, that he only puts out effort for what he wants.
    The loan is a smokescreen, he doesn't want to be seen until he drops 8+Lbs (IMO) he is gonna fail the conditioning drill for a while...
    All the activity with Steinbach and the OLmen is starting to make a lot of sense.

    quote from Tony's linked article

    I think the FO is now trying to assemble the best OL possible, that McK is still in the mix (as plan B or Plan C), and it wouldn't surprise me to see a late addition from another teams final cuts, or even a late trade of cuts like we did with Pittman/Moll
    He just seems more interested in being a music producer than playing football.

    It's well known that Harbs wants guys who want to be there. He doesn't really pull punches in that regard.
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