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    Re: Bryant McKinnie - Not at 1st practice, Oher at LT for now.



    Well....at this time last year mckinnie was reportedly 400lbs and nowhere near ready to get on the practice field. The ravens knew what they were getting when they signed him....they need to let this thing play out. Last thing they need to do is give him the gaither treatment and next thing you know we go into the season with oher at LT. The ravens made their own bed with this situation, now they need to lie in it. But dont go running the only decent LT on your roster off.




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    Re: Bryant McKinnie - Not at 1st practice, Oher at LT for now.

    McKinnie was available last year for this very reason and frankly, it worked out pretty well. I wouldn't over react just yet, but this is not what any of us want to hear. He's probably in a strip club makin' it rain. He'll be back
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    Re: Bryant McKinnie - Not at 1st practice, Oher at LT for now.

    I'm pulling for Harewood but one more bad injury and he'll be cut and gone for good
    Leg injury doesn't sound so bad though. Not much detail of course, just my first impression

    Two seasons gone now on IR

    We have so many interior offensive linemen but not so deep at offensive tackle




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    Re: Bryant McKinnie - Not at 1st practice, Oher at LT for now.

    Oher at LT = Flacco on his ass.




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    Re: Bryant McKinnie - Not at 1st practice, Oher at LT for now.

    Like myself and many others (like Wicked) have said, OT...and LT in particular HAS to be priority numero uno next offseason.

    They have to address it...trade, draft, UFA somehow...something. They've been dealing with flakes or players that just aren't good enough for over 4 years now.




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    Re: Bryant McKinnie - Not at 1st practice, Oher at LT for now.

    Quote Originally Posted by Irish Raven View Post
    I'm pulling for Harewood but one more bad injury and he'll be cut and gone for good
    Leg injury doesn't sound so bad though. Not much detail of course, just my first impression

    Two seasons gone now on IR

    We have so many interior offensive linemen but not so deep at offensive tackle
    If harbaugh does give mckinnie the gaither treatment, marshal yanda becomes the starting RT and the the guards (young and old) fight it out for the two openings inside. NOBODY wants to see that happen!!!




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    Re: Bryant McKinnie - Not at 1st practice, Oher at LT for now.

    From left to right:

    Oher - ??? This will end badly.
    Williams - ? Other than adjusting to a new system, solid, above average vet that will probably be fine.
    Birk - ?? Supposedly in best shape of last few years but age is a big concern at this point.
    Yanda - No problemo sports fans
    RT TBD - This is worrisome beyond description unless KO and/or Reid can get healthy AND translate at the NFL level. Supposedly KO could be practicing in a few days but who knows with back issue(s)?

    Maybe Yanda can move to RT but then we have the multiple players out of position scenario again, if we can implement a good RG.

    This is trouble we don't need.
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    Re: Bryant McKinnie - Not at 1st practice, Oher at LT for now.

    Quote Originally Posted by wickedsolo View Post
    McKinnie's personal issue is he probably tripped, fell, and landed face first in a pool of cheeseburgers and he's nowhere near the shape that Harbs wants him in and he knows it.
    Probably. Harbaugh said he hadn't seen McKinnie in a long time and really wanted to see what kind of shape he was in. If McKinnie isn't close he might not want to face the coach.
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    How do you not take your second chance seriously? He was booted from Minnesota for being overweight and not working hard. You would think especially with the Ravens bringing him back that he would do what he needs to do to be part of this team.

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    Re: Bryant McKinnie - Not at 1st practice, Oher at LT for now.

    Quote Originally Posted by leachisabeast View Post
    Agreed, this has not been handled very well. And Wicked that may be true about it being hard to find legit LT's, but teams like the Raiders find guys like Jared Veldheer in the third round, who is a much better option than Bryant McKinnie at this point. I really hope we do something next year, whether that be in the draft, or in FA, because this offensive line issue is getting worrying.
    Well the Patriots found a guy like Tom Brady in the 6th round. That doesn't mean we can just decide to find our next franchise quarterback there. It's not like the Ravens haven't drafted tackles. It's just that many of the best talent gets scooped up before we're even on the clock.

    Quote Originally Posted by ballhawk View Post
    Well....at this time last year mckinnie was reportedly 400lbs and nowhere near ready to get on the practice field. The ravens knew what they were getting when they signed him....they need to let this thing play out. Last thing they need to do is give him the gaither treatment and next thing you know we go into the season with oher at LT. The ravens made their own bed with this situation, now they need to lie in it. But dont go running the only decent LT on your roster off.
    I think this hits the nail on the head. It's a bad situation, but the best resolution is to get McKinnie in halfway decent shape so he can play LT. Then we have Oher back at RT and our offensive line issues go from dire to just concerning.

    I don't think the Ravens can afford to cut bait on McKinnie. The cost is too high. They know that and that's why they they took the risk of giving him the bonus. We can talk all we want about "sleeping in the bed they made" but what other choice did they have.




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    Re: Bryant McKinnie - Not at 1st practice, Oher at LT for now.

    Everyone's going all chicken little on the LT situation. I don't understand the hate for McKinnie. He wasn't great as a run blocker, but he was quite serviceable as a pass blocker. Our own FilmStudy confirms this, along with ProFootballFocus, who rated him 13th overall for the last threeyears. http://www.profootballfocus.com/blog...nsive-tackles/

    Plus he didn't get injured at all last year. I have no problem with him staying on for another 1-2 years while we find a good long term solution.




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    Re: Bryant McKinnie - Not at 1st practice, Oher at LT for now.

    Quote Originally Posted by StingerNLG View Post
    How do you not take your second chance seriously? He was booted from Minnesota for being overweight and not working hard. You would think especially with the Ravens bringing him back that he would do what he needs to do to be part of this team.

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    Re: Bryant McKinnie - Not at 1st practice, Oher at LT for now.

    Quote Originally Posted by Raveninwoodlawn View Post
    Like myself and many others (like Wicked) have said, OT...and LT in particular HAS to be priority numero uno next offseason.

    They have to address it...trade, draft, UFA somehow...something. They've been dealing with flakes or players that just aren't good enough for over 4 years now.
    They did technically draft a Tackle in the 2nd round. It's not like it was completely ignored or they threw a late round flyer at the position. The question is can he actually play Tackle? Until he's healthy there is no way to know.
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    Re: Bryant McKinnie - Not at 1st practice, Oher at LT for now.

    Quote Originally Posted by leachisabeast View Post
    Agreed, this has not been handled very well. And Wicked that may be true about it being hard to find legit LT's, but teams like the Raiders find guys like Jared Veldheer in the third round, who is a much better option than Bryant McKinnie at this point. I really hope we do something next year, whether that be in the draft, or in FA, because this offensive line issue is getting worrying.
    I actually wrote a blog about this a few months ago:

    In the 2010 NFL Draft:
    Out of 23 total offensive tackles drafted, only 9 were given positional designations of left tackle (39%), only 5 started at least one full season (22%), of those 5 starting left tackles 2 were taken in the top 10 of the draft and have outperformed their draft colleagues.

    4th Overall – Trent Williams, Washington Redskins. [Grade: 4. He’s a solid young tackle when he’s healthy. Definitely could improve to a 5 as he enters his prime.]

    6th Overall – Russell Okung, Seattle Seahawks. [Grade: 4. Like Trent Williams, he’s a very talented young left tackle entering his prime.]

    2nd Round – Rodger Saffold, St. Louis Rams. [Grade: 2. Has shown flashes of eventually becoming a 3 or 4, but has been inconsistent. Probably better suited at right tackle or guard.]

    3rd Round – Jared Veldheer, Oakland Raiders. [Grade: 4. To find an above average starting left tackle in the 3rd round is a massive anomaly. Oakland got very lucky.]

    4th Round – Jason Fox, Detroit Lions. [Grade: 1. He’s a 2nd string guy behind Jeff Backus who is a below average starting left tackle.]

    5th Round – Ed Wang, Buffalo Bills. [Grade 1: Depth swing tackle on a team that has been desperate for a good left tackle for years.]

    6th Round – Marshall Newhouse. [Grade 3: Outperformed two 1st round left tackle prospects in Bryan Bulaga and Derrek Sherrod. Played well in place for injured Chad Clifton. In line to start at LT for Green Bay in 2012. Anomaly.]

    6th Round – Ramon Harewood, Baltimore Ravens. [Grade: 1. Two major knee surgeries on both knees in back-to-back seasons. He’ll be out of the NFL after this summer.]

    7th Round – J’Marcus Webb, Chicago Bears. [Grade: 2. Started at LT for Chicago in 2011, but was really inconsistent. Team will likely move on before Webb reaches potential.]

    So, in the 2010 draft the “average grade” for left tackles after the 1st round was a 2 and the major likelihood that only Jared Veldheer will be the only quality starting left tackle chosen after the 1st round. If you were to consider all left tackles taken after the top 15 you would still have an average of 2 as there were no left tackles taken after Okung until Rodger Saffold in the top of the 2nd round.
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    Re: Bryant McKinnie - Not at 1st practice, Oher at LT for now.

    Quote Originally Posted by wickedsolo View Post
    McKinnie's personal issue is he probably tripped, fell, and landed face first in a pool of cheeseburgers and he's nowhere near the shape that Harbs wants him in and he knows it.
    but wasnt it just a month ago that he was at OTAs and closer to 350? That whole article about holding him out which really came down to wanting him to do cardio and lose that extra 9lbs they wanted him to? maybe it really is just a personal issue, hell eventually show up and ill wait to see what he weighs in at/looks like. Ill keep my fingers crossed.
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