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    Re: The Freeh Report and the Future of Penn State



    Quote Originally Posted by psuasskicker View Post
    They did become a liquidation company, but the point was that no, it didn't just get burned down. Many of the portions of the company were sold off to other companies and still operate today. Enron in its known form no longer exists. But it's simply not accurate to say that the company was burned down...it was disbanded.
    Semantics. The company was burned down the only way a company that large can be burned down, given it was the largest, most complex bankruptcy in American business history. It's not like the neighborhood Mickey D's getting shut down where you pad lock the doors and leave a hand written sign on the front door, saying "Thanks!".

    You made the claim it still exists. It most certainly does not.

    And I have a hard time comparing the largest, most complex bankruptcy in American business history with that of a school that covered up the buggering of more than a dozen children for 14+ years. It's a college with a famous football program, employing 1/100th the number of folks Enron did. That's all; nothing more. You treat it like you would any other college.

    Quote Originally Posted by psuasskicker View Post
    Even if you narrow it down to just talk about the football program and school executives, the "entire institution" STILL wasn't fully involved or guilty. There were other coaches and executives that didn't have any knowledge of this situation. Was it the heart of the university and football program? Of course, I don't argue that. Was it caused by an institution-wide attitude that the integrity of the football program was stellar and any impropriety would have a drastically problematic impact? Yes, I agree with that. I argue that it was NOT the entire institution, though.
    From a legal (and moral, IMO) standpoint, the 4 top people ARE the institution. This isn't the football program of say, the Terps. Football IS the institution at PSU. Since football (and it's most famous football employees) were the very thing wrong with the institution, then yes, the institution is guilty, especially when we now know the cover up involved.
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    Re: The Freeh Report and the Future of Penn State





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    Re: The Freeh Report and the Future of Penn State

    Quote Originally Posted by HoustonRaven View Post
    From a legal (and moral, IMO) standpoint, the 4 top people ARE the institution. This isn't the football program of say, the Terps. Football IS the institution at PSU. Since football (and it's most famous football employees) were the very thing wrong with the institution, then yes, the institution is guilty, especially when we now know the cover up involved.
    No, I completely disagree with every bit of this.

    Not sure how legally you mean that the top four are the institution, can you explain that more?

    Football is what Penn State tends to be known for outside PA and it's what most people associate the college with when you first mention the school, but it's like that literally everywhere where there's a big football program. Football IS the Penn State institution no moreso than it IS the Ohio St, Florida, Michigan, Alabama, USC, etc institutions as well. The problem is, that's just not true. All of those are far more schools than they are football schools, no matter how you cut it.

    I argued before that taking the football program away is a massive impact to the university. And it would be. But the numbers still say it's only around 3% of the university's revenues. You simply can't claim that something defines a university when it only makes up that little a portion of what the university actually entails. It's not like PSU is a little 300 student school which draws 100,000 people for its football games. Half or more of the student body doesn't go to the home games and Penn State - while deeply impacted by the football program - does not revolve around it.

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