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    Re: IN YOUR OPINION: Who is the most underrated Raven?



    I'd go with Koch--here's a guy who does his job very, very well & very few notice it. And remember his first-down run off the fake punt vs the Cowgirls in 2008? A key element in that smackdown (with Willis & Le'Ron adding double exclamation points at the end).




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    Re: IN YOUR OPINION: Who is the most underrated Raven?

    Ayanbadejo is pretty good on 3rd down and I think he gets lost in the shuffle.

    2011 Ravens D on 3rd Down held teams to 32% conversion good for #2 in the NFL
    2010, when he was hurt and even when healthy only infrequently played at LB, Ravens were at 38% and 15th in the NFL

    Obviously this isn't all about Ayanbadejo--Pagano v. Mattison, Webb and Williams v Carr and Wilson, etc. But Ayanbadejo was a big factor in the 3rd down pass defense last year.




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    Re: IN YOUR OPINION: Who is the most underrated Raven?

    cundiff most underated




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    Re: IN YOUR OPINION: Who is the most underrated Raven?

    All good cases, but I'm going to throw a vote towards Pollard. He gets lost in the shuffle of other defensive stars, but I love the physicality he brings to the secondary. His coverage ability is probably average, but he is a sure tackler and lays the lumber. I really think he brings an intimidation factor which can't be measured by stats.




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    Re: IN YOUR OPINION: Who is the most underrated Raven?

    Quote Originally Posted by lobachevsky View Post
    I'd go with Koch--here's a guy who does his job very, very well & very few notice it. And remember his first-down run off the fake punt vs the Cowgirls in 2008? A key element in that smackdown (with Willis & Le'Ron adding double exclamation points at the end).
    Good point. Maybe the Ravens should try that fake more often. Or at least against the Cowgirls again when they come to town!
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    Re: IN YOUR OPINION: Who is the most underrated Raven?

    The obvious choice is Joe Flacco. He catches a lot of grief from the media, but some (Jaws most recently) are starting to figure out that he's pretty damn good.

    Cary Williams was a major unsung hero last year. He played stout D and even though he doesn't have the natural hands that Webb or Ed Reed have, he made some big plays by deflecting the ball and/or jarring it loose as soon as it got to the receiver. He breaks on the receivers very well. He's also a hell of a tackler for a cornerback.

    I think Jameel McClain is pretty underrated as well. He's playing beside the best MLB to ever play the game, so the comparisons are sometimes extremely unfair. He's also a guy who has essentially transitioned between 3 different positions (DE in college, to OLB/DE here, to ILB) until settling in at MLB. He'd be a starter on most defenses. He's young and he's someone who puts in the work to get better.
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    Re: IN YOUR OPINION: Who is the most underrated Raven?

    Quote Originally Posted by wickedsolo View Post
    I think Jameel McClain is pretty underrated as well. He's playing beside the best MLB to ever play the game, so the comparisons are sometimes extremely unfair. He's also a guy who has essentially transitioned between 3 different positions (DE in college, to OLB/DE here, to ILB) until settling in at MLB. He'd be a starter on most defenses. He's young and he's someone who puts in the work to get better.
    Kind of reminds me of someone... from DT in college to a 3-4 LB in the NFL, I think Jameel has become the new "JJ" of our defense.




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    Re: IN YOUR OPINION: Who is the most underrated Raven?

    Quote Originally Posted by TL24x7 View Post
    Pernell McPhee?

    Sam Koch?

    Jameel McClain?

    Lardarius Webb?

    Bernard Pollard?

    Who?
    Most underrated player was Cory Redding, WAS because he is now a Colt.




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    Re: IN YOUR OPINION: Who is the most underrated Raven?

    Quote Originally Posted by PeRK82 View Post
    Most underrated player was Cory Redding, WAS because he is now a Colt.
    Definitely someone I would have said had he still been a Raven.

    The dude played lights out football in 2011, and was arguably one of the best 5 techs in the game that season, his run defense was outstanding. I think overall, it was best for us that we lost him in FA, as it gives us the opportunity to see what McPhee and Arthur Jones can do as starters.




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    Re: IN YOUR OPINION: Who is the most underrated Raven?

    I said in the other thread that I though Harbaugh was the most underrated Ravens period.

    Underrated player, I gotta go with Jameel also. People forget that this guy was a DE in college and he's transitioned to an ILB. How often are players asked to do that? That has to be one of the hardest transitions in football.

    Given where he's started he's beyond solid and I think he did a great job stepping in for Ray Lewis when Ray missed those 4 games.




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    Re: IN YOUR OPINION: Who is the most underrated Raven?

    I'd also like to point out, that Jameel made some very big plays through out 2011, not just the interception against Arizona which basically won us that game. It was third and short, against the 49ers, and this was a key drive for them, they gave the ball to Gore and Jameel ran to the side and stuffed him short of the 3rd down marker, this was a huge play of the game.

    Also thought against New England in the championship game, Elerbee and Ayanbedjo played the majority of snaps as the WILL LB, and McClain was a little hurt through out the play offs, and our run defense was clearly not as good without him.




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    Re: IN YOUR OPINION: Who is the most underrated Raven?

    Quote Originally Posted by PeRK82 View Post
    Most underrated player was Cory Redding, WAS because he is now a Colt.
    Redding was solid no doubt, but I think having Ngata and Suggs on either side of him helped him shine like he never had before in his career. He never faced a double team his entire time in Baltimore.

    Great professional and team player w/o question though. Much better at collapsing the pocket then the guys he replaced as well, the combo of Bannan and Edwards.




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    Re: IN YOUR OPINION: Who is the most underrated Raven?

    Joe Flacco hands down!!




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    Re: IN YOUR OPINION: Who is the most underrated Raven?

    Might sound weird but I think it's Ray Lewis. A lot of people are saying he's on the downside, and that might be true physically. But I think he does a great job of getting the guys around him ready for the game with his high intensity level. His knowledge of the game being passed around to the younger players helps too. I could be reaching, but that's just my feeling when I watch your team play. I guess we will find out when he finally decides to hang up the cleats, whenever that might be.




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    Re: IN YOUR OPINION: Who is the most underrated Raven?

    Quote Originally Posted by PeRK82 View Post
    Most underrated player was Cory Redding, WAS because he is now a Colt.
    That guy had a great 2011. Best year of his career.
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