Page 3 of 6 FirstFirst 123456 LastLast
Results 31 to 45 of 76
  1. #31
    Join Date
    Jun 2011
    Location
    over by the dental floss bush
    Posts
    17,949
    Blog Entries
    1

    Re: Flacco 9th on Jaws QB lists



    Quote Originally Posted by The Excellector View Post
    There aren't many QBs who can make the throws that he can make. There aren't many QBs that can withstand the hits that he withstands, especially in this division. There aren't many QBs who show the resiliency that he shows, late in games, despite being in an environment that is non-conducive to developing QBs.

    If I had to rank them, there are six that you could arrange as you wish: Brady, Brees, Manning, Manning, Rodgers and Roethlisberger. Then, you have Rivers, who I could put ahead of Flacco. I would probably put Flacco ahead of Cutler, but I can see the argument.
    Because IMO one of the things he needs to work on is pocket presence and feeling the pressure. He takes too many sacks/whacks. When he gets rid of the ball, he's amonst the top 10 in the league for sure. I'd like to see him scramble and/or get rid of it, even out of bounds, a little more often.
    World Domination 3 Points at a Time!




  2. #32

    Re: Flacco 9th on Jaws QB lists

    Quote Originally Posted by Ravenswintitle View Post
    Because IMO one of the things he needs to work on is pocket presence and feeling the pressure. He takes too many sacks/whacks. When he gets rid of the ball, he's amonst the top 10 in the league for sure. I'd like to see him scramble and/or get rid of it, even out of bounds, a little more often.
    agree 100%

    i believe only blaine gabbert and matt moore put the ball on the turf more than flacco this past year




  3. #33

    Re: Flacco 9th on Jaws QB lists

    Quote Originally Posted by Ravenswintitle View Post
    Because IMO one of the things he needs to work on is pocket presence and feeling the pressure. He takes too many sacks/whacks. When he gets rid of the ball, he's amonst the top 10 in the league for sure. I'd like to see him scramble and/or get rid of it, even out of bounds, a little more often.
    certainly one of those things that he has improved and can continue to, but in this system itll never be good. Long routes take time and lines can only protect so long, especially ours. Id like to see him do more roll outs as well, kind of like Shanahan used to do with Plummer and cutler just not as often.
    -JAB




  4. #34
    Join Date
    Jun 2011
    Location
    Philly
    Posts
    2,308

    Re: Flacco 9th on Jaws QB lists

    Quote Originally Posted by Sgt CouchPotato View Post
    pardon me if as a football fan im critical of my favorite team and don't wear purple glasses like others on here..

    flacco's career in the playoffs 8tds 8 ints...

    he has been better in the playoffs the last 2 season... throwing 7 tds and only 2 ints...but in those 4 playoffs games over the past two seasons he's also put the ball on the turf 4 times....

    has he had clutch moments in big games? sure.. has he had as many, (if not more) turnovers in big games? yes..
    How many games has he won in the regular season? How many games has he won in the post-season? How many times has he gone up against one of the best defenses in the NFL year after year? If we are seriously debating if Flacco is better than Romo, I question how closely you follow the NFL...




  5. #35
    Join Date
    Jun 2011
    Location
    Philly
    Posts
    2,308

    Re: Flacco 9th on Jaws QB lists

    Quote Originally Posted by festivus View Post
    Would everybody please stop quoting "sgtcouchpotato," who seems to prefer the unpopular side of sensitive message board subjects and can't/won't ever deal with actual facts and communicates mostly with points that are (a) irrelelvant or (b) exaggerations. There's a word for message board posters who exhibit that behavior.

    Please. Stop with the quotes.

    Thank you.
    And I just read this after I quoted him... my apologies.




  6. #36
    Join Date
    Jun 2011
    Location
    Philly
    Posts
    2,308

    Re: Flacco 9th on Jaws QB lists

    Quote Originally Posted by BigPlayReceiver View Post
    #9 is about right.

    With Cutler coming in at #8, only SB winning QBs + Phillip Rivers stand between Joe and the top slot. Not bad at all.
    Honestly, top 10 is a perfect rating for Joe. Definitely has the strongest arm in the NFL. Can make all the throws. Has had a great record in the playoffs. Has had a great record during the regular season. Elite stats? I think we can all say no, but he is improving and is in a run-first offense.




  7. #37
    Join Date
    Apr 2010
    Location
    Philly
    Posts
    2,365
    Blog Entries
    1

    Re: Flacco 9th on Jaws QB lists

    Actually there are 14 QB's that were sacked more than Flacco (31). The names include 3 in the top 10 Brady (32), Rodgers (36), and Roethlisberger (40). He just needs to learn how to tuck that ball better when he's going to get hit, as he has at least 2 more fumbles than anyone in the top 10.
    "What would you give for the man beside you?"




  8. #38

    Re: Flacco 9th on Jaws QB lists

    Quote Originally Posted by Jayc00 View Post
    Actually there are 14 QB's that were sacked more than Flacco (31). The names include 3 in the top 10 Brady (32), Rodgers (36), and Roethlisberger (40). He just needs to learn how to tuck that ball better when he's going to get hit, as he has at least 2 more fumbles than anyone in the top 10.
    flacco fumbled nearly 4x as much as rodgers and brady and they were sacked more...it's not as if flacco just had a bad year with the fumbles...he's been in the upper 1/4 every year...

    drew brees was sacked 24 times last year and only fumbled the ball once...that's impressive..




  9. #39
    Join Date
    Sep 2009
    Location
    Clayton,NC
    Posts
    7,742

    Re: Flacco 9th on Jaws QB lists

    Fumbles, sacks and pressure are all different things. You can get pressured and not fumble, you can get sacked and not fumble. You can fumble and not get pressured or sacked. Using sacks as a measurement to how often someone has defenders around them is shortsighted.

    Flacco clearly needs need keep the ball closer to his body. But If his WR's got separation and/or he would take off running sooner (see NE playoff game) we wouldn't even need to talk about that.

    I love these threads though and how ticky tack they get about knocking Flacco.
    We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid. - Benjamin Franklin




  10. #40
    Join Date
    Aug 2011
    Location
    Northern Ireland, UK
    Posts
    2,812

    Re: Flacco 9th on Jaws QB lists

    i think flacco improved last year in throwing the ball away and scrambling, especially as the season went on. Id like to see it a bit more, but sometimes it isnt possible. What i'd love to see is play calls to get him out of the pocket a bit more, like in NE when Cam done it a couple of times. I also remember a few roll outs in the reg season, one against cinci, when he hit boldin on that crossing pattern, and that deep TD to Torrey was a rollout if iirc.

    Lets be honest here, he isnt, peyton, brady, brees under pressure, but when he is out of the pocket, he is imo, one of the best in the league, and even if a throw isnt on his agile and mobile enough to scramble for a few yeards.

    Roll outs, early and often will off course, stop some of the blitzing, which then means he will have a bit more time in the pocket, and we know what he can do when he has time.

    When he is under pressure, heavy and often, he sometimes makes bad decisions, so design plays to get him away form the pressure, like roll outs, and then eventually, the pressure will subside when you keep him in the pocket.

    Just my 2 cents on Joe. Under pressure hes about average in QBing, with time hes easily up around that 6-9 mark as a QB, jumping some QBs that would be better than him under pressure, but when given a second or two, arent as good as him.




  11. #41

    Re: Flacco 9th on Jaws QB lists

    I hate it when ESPN only let's you see the whole list unless you pay for their insider service. I would like to see the whole list just to see who is above him and how far above him. The way he has played, especially against Tom Brady and the Patriots last AFC Championship game, has continually improved. Sure he doesn't have the sickest stats in the NFL, but the Ravens are a balanced to run first offense and even Peyton Manning wouldn't have Manning like stats in this sort of an offensive scheme. I know Aaron Rodgers is probably #1, Tom Brady and Drew Brees are #2 and #3 in whatever order, Eli Manning has got to be above Joe just because of the Super Bowl victory this year, Philip Rivers always tops these lists (why I don't know, judging by the Chargers playoff record), Peyton Manning even though he didn't play in 2011, then there has to be one more before Ben Roethlisberger. Ben should be tied with Joe only because, as much a Steelers fans love him, his stats are really not all that better than Flacco's, outside of the Super Bowls won mainly on the shoulders of the Steelers D. So the list should be:

    1) Aaron Rodgers
    2) Tom Brady?
    3) Drew Brees?
    4) Eli Manning?
    5) Philip Rivers?
    6) Peyton Manning?
    7) ?
    8) Ben Roethlisberger?

    That is some pretty good company, no one should be complaining about where Flacco falls on this list.

    And for the Couch Potato, You forgot to figure in the dropped passes in critical situations (which falls on the Ravens WRs and not the QB) into your little tyraid on Joe's abilities.


    ARE YOU NOT ENTERTAINED?!




  12. #42
    Join Date
    Sep 2010
    Location
    Pikesville
    Posts
    4,268
    Quote Originally Posted by arnie_uk View Post
    i think flacco improved last year in throwing the ball away and scrambling, especially as the season went on. Id like to see it a bit more, but sometimes it isnt possible. What i'd love to see is play calls to get him out of the pocket a bit more, like in NE when Cam done it a couple of times. I also remember a few roll outs in the reg season, one against cinci, when he hit boldin on that crossing pattern, and that deep TD to Torrey was a rollout if iirc.

    Lets be honest here, he isnt, peyton, brady, brees under pressure, but when he is out of the pocket, he is imo, one of the best in the league, and even if a throw isnt on his agile and mobile enough to scramble for a few yeards.

    Roll outs, early and often will off course, stop some of the blitzing, which then means he will have a bit more time in the pocket, and we know what he can do when he has time.

    When he is under pressure, heavy and often, he sometimes makes bad decisions, so design plays to get him away form the pressure, like roll outs, and then eventually, the pressure will subside when you keep him in the pocket.

    Just my 2 cents on Joe. Under pressure hes about average in QBing, with time hes easily up around that 6-9 mark as a QB, jumping some QBs that would be better than him under pressure, but when given a second or two, arent as good as him.
    Actually in 2010 Flacco had the second best TD to Int ratio in the NFL against the blitz, and finished the year 6th among all QBs on PFF's efficiency rating vs the blitz.

    The data isn't in for 2011 yet but I would be shocked if he regressed.

    The idea that blitzing Joe regularly is good idea has been out of date since his rookie year.
    My motto was always to keep swinging. Whether I was in a slump or feeling badly or having trouble off the field, the only thing to do was keep swinging. -Hank Aaron




  13. #43

    Re: Flacco 9th on Jaws QB lists

    Flacco is good against the blitz for the most part, but I can remember some of the awful sacks he took from blitzing defenders.




  14. #44

    Re: Flacco 9th on Jaws QB lists

    Quote Originally Posted by ActualSpamBot View Post
    Actually in 2010 Flacco had the second best TD to Int ratio in the NFL against the blitz, and finished the year 6th among all QBs on PFF's efficiency rating vs the blitz.

    The data isn't in for 2011 yet but I would be shocked if he regressed.

    The idea that blitzing Joe regularly is good idea has been out of date since his rookie year.
    According to Sporting News, Flacco was 4th for TD to Int ratio and 10th in terms of QB rating in 2010 against the blitz:

    http://aol.sportingnews.com/nfl/stor...inst-the-blitz

    I think this statistic is a bit subjective. It seems like "blitz" might mean different things to different statisticians, as it apparently did for STATS, Inc/Sporting News and PFF.

    Of course, Flacco also was 7th in terms of QB rating overall in 2010.
    Last edited by Haloti92; 07-06-2012 at 11:34 AM.




  15. #45

    Re: Flacco 9th on Jaws QB lists

    Id rather him stand in the pocket too long looking to make a play than be kyle boller. There certainly is a fine line there that he can improve upon but ill take those sacks in most cases if FG position isnt being lost, which the majority of the time it isnt.
    -JAB




Bookmarks

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •  
Russell Street Report Website Design by D3Corp Ocean City Maryland