Fast And Furious

**HoustonRaven** · 06-20-2012, 03:00 PM

Originally Posted by NCRAVEN

I see. So what changed making is program what has become more controversial is when "we" decided to take them across the border ourselves...

I don't think the US did the moving of the weapons.

We intercepted shipments (many originated in Houston, btw), documented the guns inside, then allowed the weapons to proceed across the border.

Problem then became some of those weapons have now killed US civilians and border patrol agents.

**StingerNLG** · 06-20-2012, 04:37 PM

Just FYI, The House Committee has voted to hold Holder in Contempt. Vote goes to the House floor now.

**NCRAVEN** · 06-20-2012, 04:48 PM

Originally Posted by StingerNLG

Just FYI, The House Committee has voted to hold Holder in Contempt. Vote goes to the House floor now.

Where they will vote him in contempt.

I wonder how messy this is going to get. From what I am hearing BHO can only use this privilege if it's something he was involved in, (if true) at a minimum he is doing this purely to protect his man.

**wickedsolo** · 06-20-2012, 04:52 PM

Originally Posted by HoustonRaven

I don't think the US did the moving of the weapons.

We intercepted shipments (many originated in Houston, btw), documented the guns inside, then allowed the weapons to proceed across the border.

Problem then became some of those weapons have now killed US civilians and border patrol agents.

I thought that they were actually moving US weapons over the border?

**NCRAVEN** · 06-20-2012, 05:11 PM

Originally Posted by wickedsolo

I thought that they were actually moving US weapons over the border?

I did too. Today I was listening to a (I believe) Senator for Texas, say they were allowed to walk over, not that what we walked them over.

**AirFlacco** · 06-20-2012, 05:40 PM

Originally Posted by NCRAVEN

Where they will vote him in contempt.

I wonder how messy this is going to get. From what I am hearing BHO can only use this privilege if it's something he was involved in, (if true) at a minimum he is doing this purely to protect his man.

Nixon thought the same thing, that under executive
immunity they could not take the documents.

Guess what? He lost.

It hasn't even gotten messy yet. Nobody cared about
the Watergate in the beginning except the DEMs until
the smoking gun came out.

**4G63** · 06-20-2012, 08:16 PM

Originally Posted by HoustonRaven

Not that it really matters, but this program was started under Bush.

No, it wasn't. And HERE.

**StingerNLG** · 06-20-2012, 08:23 PM

Originally Posted by 4G63

No, it wasn't.

I think what HR is saying is that the program itself began under Bush as Wide Receiver, but became Fast and Furious under Obama. And as your link correctly states, the issue here isn't with Wide Receiver. It's with Fast and Furious, and the lying and hiding from the AG.

I want to know why Obama invoked executive privilege on documents he says he never saw or was part of. And what is in these documents that Holder and Obama doesn't want Congress to see?

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**HoustonRaven** · 06-20-2012, 08:44 PM

Originally Posted by 4G63

No, it wasn't. And HERE.

What Stinger said.

**HoustonRaven** · 06-20-2012, 08:46 PM

Something that's important in all of this is the obvious media bias.

Not one MSM outlet has done any substantive reporting on this.

You bet your ass they'd be all over this story if it was W.

**Galen Sevinne** · 06-20-2012, 10:14 PM

you guys watch too much fox. this is such a political non-issue. The guys unfortunate death can't even be linked to the program. Its akin to law enforcement allowing small time drug dealers to continue to sell in order to understand the network better. Yes the program was a bad idea at worst and but if think Obama is behind this, you will be sorely disappointed. The only person who seems to really care is Issa. Outside of him, it only catnip for the LIVs.

Enjoy it while you can.

**StingerNLG** · 06-20-2012, 10:28 PM

Originally Posted by Galen Sevinne

you guys watch too much fox. this is such a political non-issue. The guys unfortunate death can't even be linked to the program. Its akin to law enforcement allowing small time drug dealers to continue to sell in order to understand the network better. Yes the program was a bad idea at worst and but if think Obama is behind this, you will be sorely disappointed. The only person who seems to really care is Issa. Outside of him, it only catnip for the LIVs.

Enjoy it while you can.

Wow.

And by the way, not that you libs care about rule of law or the death of an American, "The guys" name is Brian Terry. He was a border patrol agent. And even the Demos on the House Committee recognize that he was killed as a result of Fast and Furious.

Your ignorance on polling and some of your ridiculous other posts are usually knee-slappers. This makes me sick.

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