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    Re: Man, Goodell and the NFL really botched this Bounty Scandal...



    Quote Originally Posted by festivus View Post
    Without wasting my time getting knee deep in some of the foolishness of this thread, (a) this is not a court of law, nor is it your brother's friend's wife's dad's job, no offense, and (b) you're not *entitled* to see all the evidence, and if you want to know why not, see (a), above. Considering investigators plundered the Saints' computer networks as part of their investigation, I am completely confident in telling you guys there is a mountain of stuff recovered by investigators that none of us has seen.
    everyone is entitled to their opinion. I never said anybody was wrong for looking at the evidence and deeming it enough to condemn the guy. Just that I personally would like more before making a final opinion, thats all. If people want to take circumstantial evidence as hard evidence thats within their right. There very well may be a ledger, although whats been leaked has been revised already link and doesnt add up to the payouts, and Peyton and williams certainly admitted it happen, and Hargrove definitely screamed to pay him, but none of it is hard evidence that Vilma in particular did anything, which people here seem to act like it is, and thats the only thing i was trying to point out. Obviously theres enough evidence with the confession alone to say a bounty existed, that isnt in question, its who was a part of it. Whether they have a mountain of hard evidence or not is something we dont know and may never know, nor like you say have the right to know necessarily, which is why hes suing Goodell for defamation, as hes clearly guilty in public opinion.

    Vilmas case is in the court of law. Filed with U.S. District Court in New Orleans.
    vilma sues commissioner roger goodell defamation

    the same evidence in the appeals case with the players, should be required in that suit against the commissioner. hopefully it does come to light and we get to see it. Although if he wins that case but the players lose the appeal youll see a lot bigger problems for the NFL.
    -JAB




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    Confessions are no longer "hard evidence" and are "circumstantial"?!

    Ponderous.
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  3. #48

    Re: Man, Goodell and the NFL really botched this Bounty Scandal...

    Quote Originally Posted by HoustonRaven View Post
    Confessions are no longer "hard evidence" and are "circumstantial"?!

    Ponderous.
    confessions of ones own guilt, yes. using confessions of ones guilt to simply imply anothers by association certainly isnt. just because loomis and peyton said they allowed a bounty does not mean Vilma was a part of it.

    is the problem that you feel the entire team is guilty if there was a bounty, that they all were acting participants simply by being on the defense? That they all should have been punished not just the 4? Id sooner understand your point of view if that were the case than using one mans confession as proof of anothers simply by association.
    Last edited by JAB1985; 06-22-2012 at 11:24 AM.
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  4. #49

    Re: Man, Goodell and the NFL really botched this Bounty Scandal...

    Quote Originally Posted by JAB1985 View Post
    the same evidence in the appeals case with the players, should be required in that suit against the commissioner. hopefully it does come to light and we get to see it. Although if he wins that case but the players lose the appeal youll see a lot bigger problems for the NFL.
    Huh?

    In the unlikley event that a district judge in New Orleans sides with Vilma, and if the NFL decides to not appeal, the league will just pay to make it go away. If you are implying that a Vilma win would erode the Commissioner's power: the NFLPA conceded that just a year ago.
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