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    Re: Signed Guard Bobbie Williams To A Two Year Deal



    Quote Originally Posted by LukeDaniel View Post
    I'll take Osemele any day of the week too.

    There is no guarantee that, once your project "gets it" in year 3, that he is going to stay with your franchise when free agency hits after year 4. Drafting projects is fine in round 5, but in round two, I think taking Silotulo over Osemele was a mistake (one I'm happy to have seen made). There are no redishirts in the NFL. A player has 64 games under your control. In Round two every year, you should be drafting instant starters. At a minimum, you should be getting players who can operate as your #3WR, nickleback, pass-coverage LB, 3rd down pass rusher, etc. Perhaps Silatulo starts in year one. Perhaps he's not ready to until year #3. Perhaps he's a Pro Bowl LG by year two. You just don't know.

    Even if Silatulo projects to be a better player than Osemele by 2014, I'll stick with the player who gives me an immediate return and a more projectable future. I prefer safe investments.
    Good point, I think it's even more important when you are using high round picks on positions like guard. Guard is a position you kind of expect immediate impact from sometimes even in the fourth round, the Eagles started a 7th round rookie center all of the 2011 season for example. The ONLY time you draft a "project" in the first to second rounds these days, is when it's a QB and maybe a pass rusher.




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    Re: Signed Guard Bobbie Williams To A Two Year Deal

    Quote Originally Posted by Irish Raven View Post
    I was hoping Justin Boren would make the roster

    Looks like another year on the practice squad is likely now
    Possibly, but not guaranteed. He is the #9 or #10 O-lineman right now, depending on how you view him in comparison to Harewood. The Ravens have carried 9 O-linemen into the season roughly about half of the time. If the Ravens wave the white flag on Harewood, Boren has a decent shot of making the team. If anything happens to Birks, KO, GG, Williams, or Yanda in the preseason, Boren goes up to a very good shot of making the team.

    As I see it now, barring injuries, here is how I see our opening week roster.


    QB(2)- Flacco, Taylor
    RB(3)- Rice, Pierce, Allen/Berry/Rainey
    FB(1)- Leach
    WR(6)- Boldin, Smith, Doss, Jones, L. Williams, Streeter
    TE (3)- Pitta, Dickson, Drew
    Oline (9)- McKinnie, Williams, Birk, Yanda, Oher, Reid, Osemele, Gradkowski, Boren
    ST (3)- Cundiff, Koch, Cox
    Dline (6)- Ngata, Jones, Cody, McPhee, Hall/Jean-Baptiste/Tyson (two of that trio)
    LB(9) - Lewis, McClain, Upshaw, Kruger, Ayanbadejo, McClelland, Ellerbe, Bynes, Kindle,
    CB (7)- Webb, Williams, Smith, Graham, Gorrer, Asa Jackson, Brown
    S(4)- Reed, Pollard, Considine, Thompson

    In looking at the roster right now from my perspective, you have to think that those last 3 spots are going to come down to a competition between the quintent of Chykie Brown, Boren, Emmanuel Cook, Josh Bynes, and Chavis Williams. Boren is the only one on that list who can't play special teams, which certainly hurts him. However, aside from mayyyybe Josh Bynes, he's probably the only one on that list of five who has a real value from scrimmage for this team. It's a crap shoot at this point, but If I'm Boren, I'm far from discouraged. He has a far better shot at making this team out of training camp this year than he did as a rookie.

    BTW, here are four other players who won't be on the opening day roster.

    PUP- Suggs, D. Reed
    IR- McAdoo
    Suspended/Restricted- McBean




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    Re: Signed Guard Bobbie Williams To A Two Year Deal

    I think Deonte Thompson may make the squad. Nigel Carr may as well.
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    Re: Signed Guard Bobbie Williams To A Two Year Deal

    If to comes down to Harewood vs Boren, I'm taking Boren. I know that you need tackle depth, but we have Jah Reid, and Yanda or Osemele could step in at tackle in an emergency.




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    Re: Signed Guard Bobbie Williams To A Two Year Deal

    Is Harewood even healthy enough to play?
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    Re: Signed Guard Bobbie Williams To A Two Year Deal

    Quote Originally Posted by leachisabeast View Post
    If to comes down to Harewood vs Boren, I'm taking Boren. I know that you need tackle depth, but we have Jah Reid, and Yanda or Osemele could step in at tackle in an emergency.
    I take Boren too, for the same reason that I'd take Osemele over Silatulo (say that ten times fast). A bird in hand....

    Boren might never be anything more than a solid reserve/spot starter, but I think he is far closer to solidifying that role with the Ravens than Harewood is from proving himself in any capacity. Besides, if Harewood somehow makes the Ravens in 2012 and by some miracle becomes a starter in 2013, he's going to get a stupid offer from another team that offseason that is far beyond his true worth. Boren is under team control for a year longer too. It's not unrealistic to think that he could be a starter along with Osemele and Gradkowski by 2013, at which point we have two years to evaluate him for a longer-termed contract.




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    Re: Signed Guard Bobbie Williams To A Two Year Deal

    BTW, Kudos to the Ravens front office on overhauling this O-line.

    Last year, we had no real backup for Grubbs, Yanda, or McKinnie. This year, we have a great mix of experience and youth.

    All five starters have at least 3 years of starts under their belt. Oher (48). Yanda (58). Williams (130). McKinnie (147). Birk (171).

    Nobody is playing out of position.

    All five starters have a talented young draft pick behind them.

    McKinnie-Osemele
    Oher-Reid
    Birk-Gradkowski
    Yanda/Williams- Osemele or Gradkowski

    It's a great mix.




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    Re: Signed Guard Bobbie Williams To A Two Year Deal

    Quote Originally Posted by LukeDaniel View Post
    Nobody is playing out of position.
    Now wait a minute. IIRC Williams plays right guard, not left. Wasn't Gurode in the same situation last year? & didn't it take him a few weeks before he settled in at LG?




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    Re: Signed Guard Bobbie Williams To A Two Year Deal

    Quote Originally Posted by lobachevsky View Post
    Now wait a minute. IIRC Williams plays right guard, not left. Wasn't Gurode in the same situation last year? & didn't it take him a few weeks before he settled in at LG?
    There isn't much difference from right to left guard, center to either guard positions is what the big transition is. The only time it becomes a problem is when you have a rookie who played right guard all through his college career and never played left guard, however an 11 year veteran who has played both left and right guard, there shouldn't be a problem with it.




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    Re: Signed Guard Bobbie Williams To A Two Year Deal

    I dont know man...hes pretty old coming of injury...50/50 he is still there in sept, IMO.




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    Do we really need interior depth? Kelechi, yanda, birk, gradkowski boren and possibly reid as well. With osemele and yanda capable of swinging to T and gradkowski ans boren able to swing to C i dont see why we really need anymore. I also doubt harewood makes the team. If hes healthy enough is the main question but he hasnt shown much even when he was really. Boren should make it over harewood. They were alright with just reid at backup T Last year id figure theyre more comfortable with that now than then. Advantage of swing lineman is you need less backups, seems foolish to sign more and negate that.
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    Re: Signed Guard Bobbie Williams To A Two Year Deal

    Wise move. You can't just throw rookies into the starting lineup, especially OL. If the rookies do better than Bobbie, good so be it.




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    Quote Originally Posted by Boulderraven View Post
    Wise move. You can't just throw rookies into the starting lineup, especially OL. If the rookies do better than Bobbie, good so be it.
    Didnt we do that with grubbs yanda and oher? Cant seems a little strong of word choice. Maybe preferably would be a better choice.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ballhawk View Post
    I dont know man...hes pretty old coming of injury...50/50 he is still there in sept, IMO.
    Agreed but if he can win the roster spot, that might be a good thing,
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    Re: Signed Guard Bobbie Williams To A Two Year Deal

    At the end of the day, the best man is going to win the job which is great, we need the best possible offensive line we can put out there on Sundays, it's just a good thing we have tons of depth with a mix of youth and experience which is essential for offensive lines. I still think KO is going to be the starter, but Bobbie Williams is going to push him all the way.




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