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    Re: Cam Cameron Hatred



    Quote Originally Posted by Corey View Post
    I don't think Cam is conservative. He's aggressive but he lacks imagination and his playcalling is predictable.
    Ah, how can I resist a Cam thread?

    Actually I don't think Corey's statement is at all contradictory, and isn't far off the mark. The analogy might be a slugging-type prizefighter with tremendous punching ability who always take the same approach into every fight. He may have great strength, aggressiveness, and talent, but no ability (or at least no inclination) to adapt when fighting a finesse fighter. And even when the finesse fighter starts scoring punches and gains the upper hand, the slugger fails to change his approach. The finesse guy quickly realizes that the slugger is predictable.

    OK, in the interest of full disclosure I have to confess I've been down on Cam for the last two years. Oh, I try to give him credit where it is due. For instance, he did well enough in the AFCCG against NE. As many others have said, Cam can't control dropped passes. Still, he is predictable, especially on third down. The offensive sets appear very basic. Routes run by receivers seem the least imaginative of any team in the NFL. You just don't often see our guys get "wide open". Granted, our WR's aren't the best in the league and on-field talent (or lack thereof) obviously factors into this, but still. We just don't fool defenses all that often.

    Unfortunately, we have no better alternative to Cam in the near term. So for me it's a case of keeping my fingers crossed and hoping for the best in 2012, hoping that yet another year of Top 5 defensive effort won't be wasted.




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    I'm always going to blame poor player performances most of the time over Cam. I doubt Cam is trying to put his players in the position to fail. The problem is that Cam tries to create simple gameplans so that the offense can herp derp their way to scoring; however, the talent isn't good enough for a simplified gameplan to work.




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    At times Cam is a great play caller but he goes through stretches of each game where he is very predictable. Last year I can remember several games where he mixed it up well in the first quarter and the raves jumped out to a two score lead only to have him go ultra conservative in the 3rd quarter and let the other team back in it.

    Ravens are not a great running team and they consider themselves a run first team. The Oline is poorly coached and yet the same Oline coach is back for next year. If the Ravens want to be a run first team that relies on good defense to win they are going to have to get better running the ball. If you can't tell a team you are going to run it on them and go out and do it you better be creative. When you come out with a two wrs a te, FB and RB the other team is going to sell out to stop the run.




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    Quote Originally Posted by HoustonRaven View Post
    Oh boy.

    Here we go again. I'm gonna kick back and watch this one play out.
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    why does everyone keep saying that cam called a great new england game? he called a great LAST DRIVE! everyone seems to forget that he completely jacksonville'd the first quarter against one of the leagues worst defenses




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    And we were supposed to have one of the best defenses but Brady marched straight
    down the field to win it.

    CAM offense still gave Ravens chance to win it with 25 secs left and was still alive
    for OT until special teams blew it.

    That's not on CAM either.




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    Quote Originally Posted by wickedsolo View Post
    I would agree with you except that Cam's version of the Coryell has never been anywhere near an explosive passing offense.

    It is almost entirely centered around the running back.
    If it worked on other teams he was the OC then why it's not working with the Ravens. My thing is if you don't have the type of players to run it why run that offense. On the other hand if you're gonna run that offense at least draft players that you will think that fits it. This is solely my opinion but I think FO has no faith in Flacco, it seems each year the first player drafted is on defense. They run a ZB scheme but the first linemen they draft is a mauler type guard. The linemen we have especially on the left side if KO starts don't fit that ZB scheme. Another thing is all the dropped passes, not reading the defense correctly, not going thru the progression and bad throws. It like we can't keep defensive coaches but the offensive coaches stick around longer. The blame shouldn't all be put on Cam bc the man had top 10 offenses before he came to Baltimore. There will always be blame bc we are spoiled as football fans and it's sad that we can't get over that hump. I have a question tho, what if the Ravens had a top 5 O and the D was around 27th in the league and the score of the AFCCG was NE 42 to Bmore 37, what would be the beef next?


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    Re: Cam Cameron Hatred

    Quote Originally Posted by AirFlacco View Post
    Not to get technical but the top qualifying speeds for this year's Indy 500 were over 224 mph
    so CAM has to go really fast to even qualify.

    Just saying ya know. He didn't drop the ball in the end zone with
    25 secs left but he sure got us there.

    When he thanked Ozzie for keeping him on Ozzie said it was never in our minds
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    TRANSLATED: ONLY IN THE FANS MINDS!

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    Cam gave away the entire first quarter of the AFCC game thanks to his predictable play calling. 2011 playoff game vs. NE - first offensive play, Rice runs left, gets a huge hole, runs for TD. AFCC game - first play, Rice runs left (like NE wasn't expecting that play), hit for loss. Second play - run, no gain. Third and 10, line parts like Red Sea, incomplete. Second possession - again, unsuccessful run, unsuccessful run, incomplete. Did Cam not watch the previous few games and see that our run game was not working well? Our offense didn't start moving until he finally went to some rollouts in second quarter, and used runs as change of pace.

    Yes, he doesn't drop balls, but he also doesn't put his players in position to score 30+ points.
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    Originally Posted by AirFlacco
    Not to get technical but the top qualifying speeds for this year's Indy 500 were over 224 mph
    so CAM has to go really fast to even qualify.

    Just saying ya know. He didn't drop the ball in the end zone with
    25 secs left but he sure got us there.
    When he thanked Ozzie for keeping him on Ozzie said it was never in our minds
    that you were leaving.
    TRANSLATED: ONLY IN THE FANS MINDS!

    Quote Originally Posted by OriAl View Post
    Cam gave away the entire first quarter of the AFCC game thanks to his predictable play calling. 2011 playoff game vs. NE - first offensive play, Rice runs left, gets a huge hole, runs for TD. AFCC game - first play, Rice runs left (like NE wasn't expecting that play), hit for loss. Second play - run, no gain. Third and 10, line parts like Red Sea, incomplete. Second possession - again, unsuccessful run, unsuccessful run, incomplete. Did Cam not watch the previous few games and see that our run game was not working well? Our offense didn't start moving until he finally went to some rollouts in second quarter, and used runs as change of pace.
    Yes, he doesn't drop balls, but he also doesn't put his players in position to score 30+ points.
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    Re: Cam Cameron Hatred

    Quote Originally Posted by OriAl View Post
    Cam gave away the entire first quarter of the AFCC game thanks to his predictable play calling. 2011 playoff game vs. NE - first offensive play, Rice runs left, gets a huge hole, runs for TD. AFCC game - first play, Rice runs left (like NE wasn't expecting that play), hit for loss. Second play - run, no gain. Third and 10, line parts like Red Sea, incomplete. Second possession - again, unsuccessful run, unsuccessful run, incomplete. Did Cam not watch the previous few games and see that our run game was not working well? Our offense didn't start moving until he finally went to some rollouts in second quarter, and used runs as change of pace.

    Yes, he doesn't drop balls, but he also doesn't put his players in position to score 30+ points.
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    Re: Cam Cameron Hatred

    The Patriots game should not have come down to the last 25-seconds. Their defense was terrible and Cam played right to them most of the game. We should have blown them out instead of being conservative, keeping it close and hoping for a win at the end...

    Cam sucks!
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    Re: Cam Cameron Hatred

    It's a Cam Cameron hatred thread, so I had to post.
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    Quote Originally Posted by OriAl View Post
    Cam gave away the entire first quarter of the AFCC game thanks to his predictable play calling. 2011 playoff game vs. NE - first offensive play, Rice runs left, gets a huge hole, runs for TD. AFCC game - first play, Rice runs left (like NE wasn't expecting that play), hit for loss. Second play - run, no gain. Third and 10, line parts like Red Sea, incomplete. Second possession - again, unsuccessful run, unsuccessful run, incomplete. Did Cam not watch the previous few games and see that our run game was not working well? Our offense didn't start moving until he finally went to some rollouts in second quarter, and used runs as change of pace.

    Yes, he doesn't drop balls, but he also doesn't put his players in position to score 30+ points.
    I wonder how much of Cam's approach early in the game was his idea or at the direction of Harbaugh. It seems as though Cam had to follow orders until it became painfully obvious that it was not going to work. After that he called a decent game.




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    Re: Cam Cameron Hatred

    Quote Originally Posted by srobert96 View Post
    I wonder how much of Cam's approach early in the game was his idea or at the direction of Harbaugh. It seems as though Cam had to follow orders until it became painfully obvious that it was not going to work. After that he called a decent game.
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