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    Re: Does Chris McCalister make the HOF?



    If you have to question whether or not a player should be in the HOF, he souldn't. McCallister was a great player, but not HOF material IMO. Ray Lewis, Ed Reed are the players who are currently unquestioned future HOFers, and of course JO has a great chance of making it this year.

    Terrell Suggs and Haloti Ngata are questionable at this point.

    McCallister could make the Ravens ring of honor however.




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    Re: Does Chris McCalister make the HOF?

    Quote Originally Posted by leachisabeast View Post
    If you have to question whether or not a player should be in the HOF, he souldn't.
    I've heard this quote before and never got it. In my humble opinion, it makes zero sense.

    Not every player is a Ray Lewis, Reggie White, Darrell Green, or Rod Woodson. If we had to narrow it down using the "if you have to think about it" axiom, then the HOF would have about 70-80 players in it and we might go a year without having a single player voted in.

    I'm sure all of the 2012 inductees were "have to think about it" players. That's why none of them were first ballot inductees. Does that mean that none of them should get in? Of course not.

    Kennedy was a Ngata-like force in the middle of the Seahawks D-line for over a decade. He had the type of career that Ngata should have if he stays healthy for another 3-4 years. Ngata is a game-changer on defense. Kennedy was just as good. Yet, a lot of people wouldn't hear the name Cortez Kennedy and think "Hall of Famer".

    Chris Doleman, in his prime, was a 12-14 sack/year pass rusher. He is only one of four players in league history to have 150 sacks in a career. He had 20 sacks in a season (indicating superior domination). He had eight double-digit sack seasons. He turned in his 21 sack season as a 28 year old and managed to record 15 sacks nine years later as a 37 year old. He had the stats, the reputation, the career longevity. He also obviously had the peak value factor. Yet, Doleman had to wait six seasons before he was even nominated as a HOF finalist. Do you think a lot of people had to give his credentials some thought? Of course, they did.

    Not everything is cut and dry. Not every back is Barry Sanders. There are very good, very deserving backs like Curtis Martin, who need to be in Canton because their effectiveness and career production, even if it was attained in fashion that doesn't blow you away. I'm sure a lot of people didn't look at Martin's career and instantly think "oh yea, he's a Hall of Famer".

    Willie Roaf played 13 NFL seasons and made 11 Pro Bowls (again, not the greatest evaluator, but with O-linemen, it's helpful). The only two years Roaf didn't make the PB were his rookie year and 2001, where he missed over half the season with injury. He was an inmovable force at LT for a long team. He wasn't blessed with as much God-given talent as J.O., but they turned in fairly similar careers. Roaf was a more physically limited version of JO, who made up for it with supreme determination and nastiness. He's probably the 2nd best LT of the last 20 years (behind JO, but ahead of Walter Jones, who is considered to be a fairly obvious HOFer as well). In my mind, I don't need to think twice whether he's a HOFer, but clearly the voters did, because they somehow selected a very borderline Richard Dent ahead of him last year. Ultimately, playing his entire career for mediocre, small-market teams like the Chiefs and Saints didn't cost Roaf his deserved spot in Canton, but it might have hurt him in losing out to a flashier, more in the spotlight, but no more HOF-worthy candidate like Shannon Sharpe. Ask the average Joe if Shannon Sharpe is a Hall of Famer and I think you'll get a far more resounding yes than you would with Roaf, although I think they are both about as deserving.

    I'm rambling now, but my overall point is that very few Canton-worthy players can get an instant yes when you are evaluating their careers. There is a very talented, very deserving crop of dozens and dozens of players who would miss out on their deserved spot as an All-time great if we made a split-second evaluation of their careers.




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    Quote Originally Posted by LukeDaniel View Post
    So, Champ Bailey just got #50 last year...does that mean that he wouldn't have been considered had he decided to hang up his cletes before the 2011 season? Using your logic, last year was the year that finally made him "to be considered" as a HOFer. Obviously, Bailey has been a HOFer for years now. He was the best CB of the 2000s and probably one of the top 6 corners in league history.

    That bum Derrell Revis only has 18 career INTs. Do you think he has another 32 in him over the rest of his career? Probably not--especially when you consider he only has four in his last two seasons. Guess he doesn't get in either.

    The funny thing about Revis is that he made first team All Pro and the Pro Bowl in 2010 when he had a total of ZERO INTs.

    I think that is the best indication that you are using an outdated metric if you are thinking that INTs are now what people are using to evaluate the careers of CBs.

    Even if INTs were still used with the emphasis that you state--a fact I'd argue to the death-- the scale has changed.

    QBs aren't throwing picks like they once did. Last year, despite having 14 QBs throw over 500 passes, only four had more than 20 INTs. 40 years ago in 1971 (I picked a totally random year), only one QB (John Hadl) threw more than 400 passes and yet there were seven QBs who threw more than 20 INTs.
    It's the politics of the position. You did a good job explaining the Hall of Fame voters in an earlier post. That's just the way they tend to vote.
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    Re: Does Chris McCalister make the HOF?

    Quote Originally Posted by landspeed View Post
    What do you think?

    Hes got at least 1 Superbowl ring(possibly 2, if someone could confirm whether or not he received a ring from the Saints), 26 Career INTs and 5 Career Def TD's.

    2 All pros, 3 pro bowls.
    No.

    And that's unfortunate because IMHO, he had the talent and should be in the serious conversation.

    For that guy to have that much talent and only make 3 Pro Bowls over 10 years was a waste. McAlister should have been a perennial pro bowler and talked about up there with Champ Bailey and Charles Woodson as the best CB's of the previous decade.




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    Re: Does Chris McCalister make the HOF?

    McAlister won't make the Pro Football HOF (it's not the "NFL HOF") but he certainly was the best CB in football at different points in his career. His combination of size and speed made him the most complete CB in the game at times as well. As RiW stated, he certainly wasted alot of that talent. His off the field antics are well documented and could definitely come into play with regards to the RoH.

    I think some here are undervaluing just how good he was when he was healthy and his head was on right.

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    Re: Does Chris McCalister make the HOF?

    Quote Originally Posted by LukeDaniel View Post
    I've heard this quote before and never got it. In my humble opinion, it makes zero sense.

    Not every player is a Ray Lewis, Reggie White, Darrell Green, or Rod Woodson. If we had to narrow it down using the "if you have to think about it" axiom, then the HOF would have about 70-80 players in it and we might go a year without having a single player voted in.
    I don't think that's such a bad thing. It would make it a much bigger honor and an even more exclusive group.




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    Re: Does Chris McCalister make the HOF?

    Quote Originally Posted by LukeDaniel View Post
    Yes, this is my point. Using Pro Bowls as justification for HOF induction is beyond stupid. The same morons who vote for the Pro Bowl vote for the HOF. So essentially, they have the process monopolized---or at least the process for the first two decades after a player retires before they start to come up for veterans consideration.
    That is not accurate. Writers vote for the HOF. Players, coaches, and fans vote for the Pro Bowl.




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    Re: Does Chris McCalister make the HOF?

    Quote Originally Posted by DkBlue View Post
    That is not accurate. Writers vote for the HOF. Players, coaches, and fans vote for the Pro Bowl.
    Word...What was the question again? Oh yeah Cmac in the HOF...as others have said not a chance in Hell! I don't even see the Ravens inviting him back to be inducted into the ROH




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    Re: Does Chris McCalister make the HOF?

    Quote Originally Posted by HoustonRaven View Post
    Byners name not withstanding, I don't think he's RoH material either.

    Following the criteria posted on BR.com, it's hard for me to say he's RoH worthy.
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    Re: Does Chris McCalister make the HOF?

    HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAno

    This isn't the Hall of Good. McAlister was really good for a stretch of about eight years. He won't get mentioned and frankly he doesn't deserve to be.

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    Re: Does Chris McCalister make the HOF?

    Quote Originally Posted by purplepoe View Post
    I think some here are undervaluing just how good he was when he was healthy and his head was on right.
    Agreed. Unfortunately, IMO, those times were too few and far in between for anyone (ie HOF voters) to give him any kind of serious consideration for HOF.

    And, IMO, the ROH.

    He truly had HOF talent, but he pretty much wasted it and was his own worst enemy.
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