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    Im a spurs fan so id like to see them pull it off, especially being the top team and barely hearing a word about them all season. I like okc too and the heat. Not a big celtics fan. With that said i see the spurs winning in 7 and heat in 6. Spurs win the finals in 5. But if im wrong about the spurs okc will win in similar fashion. The western finals will determine the champs.

    I dont get the lebron hate. That special was stupid but he helped alot of kids with that donation from it, which somehow always gets forgotten. Hes the best athlete but i cant see how thats a knock when debating best player. His court vision, iq, passing and on the ball defense are all phenomenal. Hes the recarnation of magic johnson, who imo is the best player in history. Jordan was amazing and his ability to score was godly to the point that it made those around him better by drawing attention but his will to win is what made him special. Nobody has come close to that. Magic and lebron make those around them better by being such great passers and facilitators. Kobe is alot like jordan without being able to make his teammates better, hes a killer but no jordan. Hes overrated defender, horrible team player, and selfish egomaniac. Lebron and wade are both better players than kobe, imo, eventhough neither may be a better scorer.

    Edit: with that loss tonight itll be hard for the spurs to pull off two in a row against that young team. Not impossible but i had figured theyd hold homecourt.
    Last edited by JAB1985; 06-05-2012 at 06:18 AM.
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    Great game last night. The Thunder have arrived. Extremely impressive the poise a team with 4 starters age 23 or younger showed. It's a damn shame this matchup couldn't have taken place in the NBA finals. I'm rooting for a Thunder-Celtics matchup.




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    Quote Originally Posted by JAB1985 View Post
    I dont get the lebron hate. That special was stupid but he helped alot of kids with that donation from it, which somehow always gets forgotten. Hes the best athlete but i cant see how thats a knock when debating best player. His court vision, iq, passing and on the ball defense are all phenomenal. Hes the recarnation of magic johnson, who imo is the best player in history. Jordan was amazing and his ability to score was godly to the point that it made those around him better by drawing attention but his will to win is what made him special. Nobody has come close to that. Magic and lebron make those around them better by being such great passers and facilitators. Kobe is alot like jordan without being able to make his teammates better, hes a killer but no jordan. Hes overrated defender, horrible team player, and selfish egomaniac. Lebron and wade are both better players than kobe, imo, eventhough neither may be a better scorer.
    Being a phenomenal athlete is not a knock on what type of player he is. I think hands down he the best athlete in the NBA. I also think we are seeing a transition (in college as well) away from the better teams are the ones with better basketball players to the better teams are the ones with better athletes. It could be argued OKC vs. San Antonio is an example of that.

    Someone else said very well regarding Lebron's skills, he is good at everything, and really good at a few things (or something to that affect). If you want to go down the list in comparing players in each area we can, but for my money I will start my team with Jordan 7 days a week a twice on Sundays.




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    Quote Originally Posted by NCRAVEN View Post
    Being a phenomenal athlete is not a knock on what type of player he is. I think hands down he the best athlete in the NBA. I also think we are seeing a transition (in college as well) away from the better teams are the ones with better basketball players to the better teams are the ones with better athletes. It could be argued OKC vs. San Antonio is an example of that.

    Someone else said very well regarding Lebron's skills, he is good at everything, and really good at a few things (or something to that affect). If you want to go down the list in comparing players in each area we can, but for my money I will start my team with Jordan 7 days a week a twice on Sundays.
    I can see that, with the way they changed the rules, being fast and strong to drive to the hoop is more important than anything. Saying hes the best athlete seems to diminish his actual skills which are elite on their own though. I get why people that dont think hes the best say it (if hes not the best in your opinion, your not going to say hes the best athlete and one of the best players), but by not acknowledging his skills and calling him an athlete instead of a player is a knock, even if not intended. Jordan and James dont really compare well, different players, eras, positions. comparing lebron to kobe who most of the detractors point to as the best is a little easier. Kobes been a career 45% FG, while james is 48% and has been over 50% the last 3 years (and getting better each year).with knowing that id even argue hes a better scorer than Kobe, since hes usually in the top 3 in the league with Kobe, but doing it more efficiently. Scoring is the only thing you can point to and realistically say hes better than lebron at, but even in that area id say he isnt.

    Jordan certainly proved to have had an it factor, but he also got away with a lot like people blame and dislike James for. Seems a little hypocritical which i guess is what gets under my skin a little. ive always liked the Magic vs Jordan debate, but its a lot like todays Lebron vs Jordan battle, hard to get a real debate when its different eras.
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    I don't know about that. I think that Kobe is a more efficient scorer. James still has to learn that his bread and butter will be at the line. He doesn't have that mindset right now. Kobe could attempt ten shots and still end up with thirty points, because he knows how to get to the line and make the most of doing so.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Excellector View Post
    I don't know about that. I think that Kobe is a more efficient scorer. James still has to learn that his bread and butter will be at the line. He doesn't have that mindset right now. Kobe could attempt ten shots and still end up with thirty points, because he knows how to get to the line and make the most of doing so.
    Id agree with that to some degree. I dont think he and Wade take advantage of FTs by being only average at them (sub 80% is pretty sad) but hes still averaging about the same ppgs as Kobe who is a better FT shooter. I took PPG and FG% for this debate. over the last 9 seasons (lebrons entire career vs Kobes prime) hes averaged 28.2 @ .449% to lebrons 27.6 @ .483% (.513% the last 3 years to Kobes .446%). even with his FT woes (and therefore some points left out) hes still a more efficient scorer than Kobe, and makes his teammates better as well with his passing, where Kobe goes a good many games without more than 3 assists (18 games 29% of the season), which is very telling of the type of player he is (selfish/volume shooter).
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    There is a difference between better and efficient in this case. Lebron can leave points on the court and still score thirty. However, Kobe does a better job of not leaving points on the court.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JAB1985 View Post
    I can see that, with the way they changed the rules, being fast and strong to drive to the hoop is more important than anything. Saying hes the best athlete seems to diminish his actual skills which are elite on their own though. I get why people that dont think hes the best say it (if hes not the best in your opinion, your not going to say hes the best athlete and one of the best players), but by not acknowledging his skills and calling him an athlete instead of a player is a knock, even if not intended. Jordan and James dont really compare well, different players, eras, positions. comparing lebron to kobe who most of the detractors point to as the best is a little easier. Kobes been a career 45% FG, while james is 48% and has been over 50% the last 3 years (and getting better each year).with knowing that id even argue hes a better scorer than Kobe, since hes usually in the top 3 in the league with Kobe, but doing it more efficiently. Scoring is the only thing you can point to and realistically say hes better than lebron at, but even in that area id say he isnt.
    I've acknowledged his skills, I've said he is one of the best players in the league.

    I still think he could be better though, as a scorer. He has FINALLY developed some low post moves.




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    Quote Originally Posted by The Excellector View Post
    There is a difference between better and efficient in this case. Lebron can leave points on the court and still score thirty. However, Kobe does a better job of not leaving points on the court.
    I dont see how that makes him better if the end result is the same but still at a lower percentage? you could argue his 55% missed is actually leaving more on the court than james 49%. im just not able to understand that. I would really hope he works on FT% more and more because hes leaving at a minimum 2 ppg or so.

    If your team needs 50 pts, my money is on Lebron because hell get his 30 and has a better chance of getting 10 assists than Kobe does scoring 50 by himself, which is exactly what hed try to do. I think thats what i have a hard time seeing. If Lebron was as selfish as Kobe hed probably be scoring 35 ppg but hes not that type of player that will do that to the detriment of his team.

    I will concede he has a slightly better jumper but the numbers dont really support that. I wouldnt say hes as versatile as James is, which i think is something youd look for when saying "best scorer"

    Quote Originally Posted by NCRAVEN View Post
    I've acknowledged his skills, I've said he is one of the best players in the league.

    I still think he could be better though, as a scorer. He has FINALLY developed some low post moves.
    didnt mean to single you out. I actually had this same conversation with some my friends a few days before this thread that had that opinion. Best athlete but not the best player, and they were saying hes not even the best on his own team, or in other words not acknowledging him as one of the best in the league.

    He seems to add something to his game every offseason. He used to be an atrocious 3pt shooter too, but now hes atleast average at 37%. low post is something he needed, with his size and speed theres no reason he cant dominate down there more often. like i said above, for a guy that sees the FT line as much as him he should be more focused on getting that up closer to 90%.
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    I hope Bosch plays significant time tonight because that releases LeBron for the fast break. Right now he has to work for rebounds more than normal. Should be a good game tonight, I give the Heat the edge but not by much
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    As a Thunder fan i felt like a proud parent last night, doesnt seem like that long ago they were 20 and 62 but boy have these guys grew up. This was a game that last year i dont think they could have won but they've put it all together.




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    I still put Kobe slightly ahead of Lebron...offensively imo opinion it's not even close, but thats not a slight to Lebron. Kobe has the most complete offensive arsenal in basketball. Defensively i give Lebron an edge because of the versatility but when i've seen both have to lock down and take on defensive challenges i've seen Kobe fair better. Kobe however doesnt know how to defer to teamates and if anybody saw Game 5 of the Thunder series Kobe came in with the attitude he was gonna beat the Thunder by himself, 33 shots, 0 asts.




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    Quote Originally Posted by Carey View Post
    As a Thunder fan i felt like a proud parent last night, doesnt seem like that long ago they were 20 and 62 but boy have these guys grew up. This was a game that last year i dont think they could have won but they've put it all together.
    Yeah me too. Harden is stone cold, when he made that 3 you knew it was over. Not too many people before this year knew he could shoot, or play like that for that matter. "They gonna learn today!"
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    Great game tonight so far but the officiating still sucks
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ravenswintitle View Post
    Great game tonight so far but the officiating still sucks
    It sucks all around, it's not favoring any sides. Not that it makes it ok, it just makes it less bad..




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