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    Quote Originally Posted by GOTA View Post
    I still hope that someone beats Jones out the the #3 spot. Let him stick to being the return guy.
    A contract that averages 3.5 million per year is a lot for a KR/ #4 WR. If he's just a returner, I don't think that was a good investment.




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    Dickson/Pitta is the #3 WR.

    Jones is the return specialist/vet insurance (in case bodin or smith get hurt).

    The FB makes $3mil, why not the returner. They are both vets. We have a lot younger (cheaper) guys in key roles all across the team. Thats the beauty of the ravens.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Corey View Post
    A contract that averages 3.5 million per year is a lot for a KR/ #4 WR. If he's just a returner, I don't think that was a good investment.
    It may "average" that, but that's not what he's getting paid. I'm pretty sure Ravor or JoeFlaccoShow already posted that his contract was really a 1 year deal worth right around a mill. It's a lot, but it's not 3.5 mill for a return specialist.
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    Quote Originally Posted by leachisabeast View Post
    Who where you guys expecting us to get? We couldn't even afford a guy like Laurent Robinson, at least we got someone who can return kicks and punts pretty well. At the end of the day, the best man will win the #3 WR position, and will likely not have to do much more than rack up anywhere between 200-400 yards, which I think Jacoby can do. At the same time LaQuan Williams and Tandon Doss can beat out Jacoby for that position, but they have to back it up through out the pre season, and need to bring the A game in the pre season games too. Ultimately our tight ends are going to be the guys who need to step it up as they are playing a very important role in our offense, and of course Boldin and Smith will have high expectations to do well this year.

    T Smith (Good for, 800-1000 yards)
    Boldin (Good for, 700-900 yards)
    Ray Rice (Good for, 500-700 yards)
    Pitta (Good for, 400-600 yards)
    Dickson (Good for, 400-600 yards)

    These are the guys that will get most of the catches in this offense. Anything our #3 guy can do is just a bonus IMO. Even our fullback had more catches than our #3 guy last year. I think we will see more work from our #3 guy this year, I expect around 200-400 yards from him (whoever it is). So Flacco is likely to pass for around 3800 yards in 2012.
    That's not really the point though. Considering the issues the entire receiving unit had last year with the dropsies you would think that they would like to be leaning more towards guys with consistent hands.

    I like the size/speed combo that Jones has. I like that he's got experience as a return specialist.

    What I don't like is that he's never really been a good receiver to begin with and he's potentially taking snaps/opportunities away from Doss and/or LaQuan who could end up being really good players.

    LaQuan has experience as a kick returner. So does Torrey. Both have experience as punt returners. They drafted Asa Jackson who was a very productive punt and kick returner in college and they brought in Deonte Thompson and Bobby Rainey who are experience kick and punt returners from college. Young? Absolutely. However, that's what the pre-season is for. The Steelers weren't sure what they had in Antonio Brown and Emmanuel Sanders until they put them out there and not they're two of the better young all-around receivers in the league.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GOTA View Post
    I still hope that someone beats Jones out the the #3 spot. Let him stick to being the return guy.
    No one needs to. This team has plenty of one-back two TE sets with Dickson and Pitta split wide to be just fine. Our #3 receiver only needs to see the field on 5% - 10% of the plays, if even that.

    Jacoby is a nice addition. But anyone that expects most of his impact to be on offense isn't being realistic. If it is, either he's failing massively as a return-man, or he's surprising significantly as a receiver. The first isn't particularly likely. If it's the second, we should be pretty thrilled.

    I think he finishes the year with 250 receiving yards and 2 TDs receiving. That'd be a pretty solid year as a #3 WR for us.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wickedsolo View Post
    The Steelers weren't sure what they had in Antonio Brown and Emmanuel Sanders until they put them out there and not they're two of the better young all-around receivers in the league.
    People keep saying that...I'd bet that they actually showed in practice that they could play.

    I highly doubt our WR's are showing they are ready in practice and the team instead decides to sign somebody for a lot of money. Doss likely didn't have the system down. Laquan had 4 catches and had numerous drops. David Reed has been here for 2 years and has not managed a single reception.

    It's just baffling to me that people freak out about not having proven or high draft picks at virtually every other position on this squad, but when it comes to WR, it's "we never just throw them out there". Really though, I think we've found why we haven't just thrown out our draft picks there because they don't get picked up by another squad and are quickly out of the league.




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    Quote Originally Posted by Raveninwoodlawn View Post
    People keep saying that...I'd bet that they actually showed in practice that they could play.

    I highly doubt our WR's are showing they are ready in practice and the team instead decides to sign somebody for a lot of money. Doss likely didn't have the system down. Laquan had 4 catches and had numerous drops. David Reed has been here for 2 years and has not managed a single reception.

    It's just baffling to me that people freak out about not having proven or high draft picks at virtually every other position on this squad, but when it comes to WR, it's "we never just throw them out there". Really though, I think we've found why we haven't just thrown out our draft picks there because they don't get picked up by another squad and are quickly out of the league.
    Well, for starters, you can be an ace in practice against your own team, but against other teams during game situations is a completely different story with completely different variables.

    Demetrius Williams and Mark Clayton were amazing during practice and during the games they were pretty lackluster.

    Secondly, there has always been an inherent drop off in the development of receivers on this team. For whatever reason the receivers that the Ravens draft rarely pan out. I know that almost every team has an extremely high fail rate when it comes to receivers in the draft, but I'd wager that the Ravens over the last decade probably take the cake when it comes to drafting and developing starting caliber receivers. I mean, in 10+ years Torrey Smith seems to be the only legitimate receiver that the Ravens have drafted who could actually pan out and be a 1000+ yard receiver.

    The point is if they can't keep putting band aids on the receiver position and calling it good. Every year that they bring in some vet receiver that some other team(s) didn't or don't want to take snaps from the young guys is a year that their development gets stunted. Now, this is certainly only my opinion, but it would seem to me that you don't really know what you have in a player until they play during real games. I'm not saying Tandon Doss or LaQuan Williams should be starters or even that they've earned it, so to speak, but what I am saying is that they should be doing a better job of getting them into the mix throughout the season and then at least there is legitimate film on them against an unfamiliar opponent to gauge whether or not there is anything there worth developing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by wickedsolo View Post
    Demetrius Williams and Mark Clayton were amazing during practice and during the games they were pretty lackluster.
    I'm gonna ask you to go ahead and prove that. Don't say "Well, the media said [this and that]," either, because
    1) the media doesn't have the full access to practice and what happens in all them and team meetings and
    2) if the media members were able to properly judge how well players in practice would translate to game-day performance, they wouldn't be media members, they'd be NFL coaches.

    I don't understand why it is that people just think that there are all these hidden gems. Is it possible? Yes. But realistically, if Doss (or DWill, or David Reed, or Justin Harper, or whoever) really were good enough to make an impact on the field, chances are pretty good he'd actually already be doing that. If a guy doesn't make it into the game, it's either cause we're so deep at the position that they can't unseat a dearth of hugely productive veterans, or cause the coaches don't see him in practice doing what he needs to do to be able to make an impact in the game.

    I'm pretty sure we aren't that deep at the position, so.......

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    houston made jones expendable when they drafted keysahwn martin out of michigan state in the 4th round. martin is just a flat out playmaker as a specil teams and #3 receiver.

    the personell people in houston must know what they are doing. they have a ton of young talent. the only question mark about the texans is schaub. he makes some stupid decision.




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    The point about practice is that you have to produce to get a shot at the field.

    Brown and Sanders produced in practice...so they then got a shot on the field. They showed they could do it.

    If anything, bringing up Williams and Clayton goes to show that even if you can cut it in practice, it doesn't show you can cut it in games. If you have guys that can't even reach that level in practice, why would anybody think that they are going to suddenly break out against the Jets or Steelers?

    If you CAN'T produce in practice, there is an extremely high probability that you can't produce when the lights come on.

    As for their drafting lack of success at WR...I agree. And that is EXACTLY why I'm not saying to just throw them out there. In almost every line of work, you have to show that you are ready for the real deal. Maybe instead of just saying we should throw guys out there, the problem is that we just aren't drafting guys that are any good. Sorry, there is no way in hell I'm relying on Laquan Williams or David Reed to become Antonio Brown and Emmanual Sanders...and hope and pray that all they need is to play...our drafting history is even worse than our Vet signing history so the odds are that the vet we bring in will produce more than the draft pick. I'll give Doss somewhat of a pass...I think he struggled with learning since we didn't have an offseason and he's really raw. Reed? I've practially given up hope that he will be a legit NFL WR. Williams? He has a spot in this league, but it isn't as a 3rd WR on a good passing team.




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    Quote Originally Posted by psuasskicker View Post
    I'm gonna ask you to go ahead and prove that. Don't say "Well, the media said [this and that]," either, because
    1) the media doesn't have the full access to practice and what happens in all them and team meetings and
    2) if the media members were able to properly judge how well players in practice would translate to game-day performance, they wouldn't be media members, they'd be NFL coaches.

    I don't understand why it is that people just think that there are all these hidden gems. Is it possible? Yes. But realistically, if Doss (or DWill, or David Reed, or Justin Harper, or whoever) really were good enough to make an impact on the field, chances are pretty good he'd actually already be doing that. If a guy doesn't make it into the game, it's either cause we're so deep at the position that they can't unseat a dearth of hugely productive veterans, or cause the coaches don't see him in practice doing what he needs to do to be able to make an impact in the game.

    I'm pretty sure we aren't that deep at the position, so.......

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    Yup.

    This thinking that the WR's don't have to prove themselves at all makes zero sense.




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    Quote Originally Posted by Raveninwoodlawn View Post
    Yup.

    This thinking that the WR's don't have to prove themselves at all makes zero sense.
    I think you'd be hard pressed to find any fan on this board who would claim that the young receivers DONT have to prove themselves before taking the field. What myself and a lot of other folks don't get is that we draft these young receivers and then they NEVER see the field. Ever. There is no way they are that bad in practice, otherwise they'd be cut and wouldn't make it out of pre-season.

    My comment on the Steelers with Brown and Sanders was that they were given an opportunity to come in and play a handful of snaps during real game situations and they proved that they could hack it. The Ravens don't even get their young guys out there to show whether or not they can or can't hack it. How would we or anyone know (including the coaching staff) if David Reed could have played well during game situations? They haven't used him at all with the exception of a snap or two. Granted, he's kind of a bad example because of his injury history, but this has been an on-going problem with Harbaugh. He really refuses to play young guys unless he has no other choice. Steve Bisciotti even eluded to that. The only reason Torrey got significant playing time was because Lee Evans was hurt for 75% of the season. If Lee Evans wasn't hurt, Torrey probably gets 1/4th or less of the production and snaps.

    At some point you have to trust your scouting department and trust why you drafted the kid(s) in the first place.

    Tandon Doss could be killing it in practice every day, but if Cam isn't incorporating him into the game plan, then what's the point?
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