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    Re: Seriously, Do The Ravens Need Vonta Leach?



    Quote Originally Posted by wickedsolo View Post
    The problem is that Cam's offense is centered around the run, so having arguably the best run-blocking FB in the NFL is something that would be very enticing for the Ravens.

    That said, I don't think Cam's offense has really adapted to the new NFL and to be perfectly honest, I don't think Ray Rice is a great fit for Cam's version of the Coryell anyway. Rice is a hell of a back. Arguably the best RB in the NFL right now when all things are considered, but I think he'd be so much more effective in an offense similar to what the Giants run. Again, the success of this team is going to come through Joe and the passing game. That's just the way it is and the Ravens have the talent to become that kind of an offense, but they just don't have the person at the top putting all the pieces together properly.

    They paid a lot for Leach because their offensive identity (or at least their attempted offensive identity) is to be a run-first offense.
    I agree, i think we can throw out alot of different factors, analyne things till we are blue in the face but i think at the end of the day two things must happen.

    1. This must becomes Joe's offense...And im not saying he has to throw it even a attempt more then last year, he just needs to be given the control and freedom to put his imprint on each game i.e. AFCC game

    2. Joe has to make someone else a threat...We know what we have in Boldin, Smith, Pitta and Dickson. For the latter 3 it's feasible to expect them to take another step in their progression but i think between Doss or Jones he has to make one of those guys a viable target.
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    Re: Seriously, Do The Ravens Need Vonta Leach?

    Quote Originally Posted by wickedsolo View Post
    Madison Hedgecock and Lawrence Vickers were available IIRC.
    Also Hyponski. A lot of people here thought hed be a great blocking FB with potential, and thats exactly what he showed as a rookie. If we had an obvious opening on the roster im pretty sure we could have attained him.
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    Re: Seriously, Do The Ravens Need Vonta Leach?

    Quote Originally Posted by JAB1985 View Post
    Also Hyponski. A lot of people here thought hed be a great blocking FB with potential, and thats exactly what he showed as a rookie. If we had an obvious opening on the roster im pretty sure we could have attained him.
    The Giants snatched him up pretty quickly. They liked him enough to cut Madison Hedgecock, who at the time was also one of the premier run blockers.

    I want to say that Owen Schmitt was available as well.
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    Re: Seriously, Do The Ravens Need Vonta Leach?

    Quote Originally Posted by wickedsolo View Post

    I want to say that Owen Schmitt was available as well.
    He was, signed with Raiders.




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    Re: Seriously, Do The Ravens Need Vonta Leach?

    Quote Originally Posted by wickedsolo View Post
    The Giants snatched him up pretty quickly. They liked him enough to cut Madison Hedgecock, who at the time was also one of the premier run blockers.

    I want to say that Owen Schmitt was available as well.
    I guess im getting confused because last year the draft was before Free Agency, I guess he got signed long before Leach did, but still would have been an option if we decided to go that route.
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    Re: Seriously, Do The Ravens Need Vonta Leach?

    Quote Originally Posted by dirt1 View Post
    i think the ravens do need leach. He gives their running attack a much needed identity, and sets a physical tone against teams.
    absolutely agree!!!
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    Re: Seriously, Do The Ravens Need Vonta Leach?

    Quote Originally Posted by wickedsolo View Post
    Madison Hedgecock and Lawrence Vickers were available IIRC.
    I don't know if it was due to injury or something else, but Vickers wasn't even the starting FB for the Texans in 2011. Neither of those players would have been much of an upgrade if at all over McClain, even as a lead blocker. Right now, I'd say Jed Collins (New Orleans) and Greg Jones II (Jacksonville) are the two other FB's who can actually block at a decent level.




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    Re: Seriously, Do The Ravens Need Vonta Leach?

    Quote Originally Posted by TheJoeFlaccoShow View Post
    Love the offseason!

    I think it has been determined that 90% of the team is either overpaid, expendable or just not that good.

    Mind boggling how this team has the success it does with all this wasted cap space, and notorious underachievers all over the place at virtually every position.

    How do they do it??
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    Re: Seriously, Do The Ravens Need Vonta Leach?

    We are in worse state than the Oakland Raiders guys!!!




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    Re: Seriously, Do The Ravens Need Vonta Leach?

    I love watching Leach play but it's hard to justify that cap number for a fullback. The position just isn't on the field all that much. If you are going to pay a fullback I think it's better to have one who can also be a very effective short yardage runner.

    John Kuhn of the Packers is a pretty good blocker, though not in the league of Leach, but he also has 8 rushing TDs the past 2 seasons while Leach has just 2 in his entire career. They are about equal as receivers. Kuhn is significantly cheaper than Leach. As great of a blocker as Leach is I'd rather have the short yardage ability of Kuhn and the contract.
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    Re: Seriously, Do The Ravens Need Vonta Leach?

    Quote Originally Posted by JAB1985 View Post
    Also Hyponski. A lot of people here thought hed be a great blocking FB with potential, and thats exactly what he showed as a rookie. If we had an obvious opening on the roster im pretty sure we could have attained him.
    That's a guy who should have been drafted. He had 12 teams trying to sign him as an undrafted free agent and ended up getting a better deal than he would have had he been taken in the later rounds.
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    Re: Seriously, Do The Ravens Need Vonta Leach?

    Quote Originally Posted by GOTA View Post
    I love watching Leach play but it's hard to justify that cap number for a fullback. The position just isn't on the field all that much. If you are going to pay a fullback I think it's better to have one who can also be a very effective short yardage runner.

    John Kuhn of the Packers is a pretty good blocker, though not in the league of Leach, but he also has 8 rushing TDs the past 2 seasons while Leach has just 2 in his entire career. They are about equal as receivers. Kuhn is significantly cheaper than Leach. As great of a blocker as Leach is I'd rather have the short yardage ability of Kuhn and the contract.
    They also give Kuhn the ball a lot more than Leach. Kuhn is well below average as an actual run blocker, he isn't what I'd call a true FB though. He is more of a hybrid in that system, so you can't compare them. Personally I'd take Leach blowing up huge holes for Rice to run into, with a good back up RB who can do an even better job than Kuhn at getting the short yards on a rookie contract.




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    Re: Seriously, Do The Ravens Need Vonta Leach?

    No. He is best blocking full back in the league without a doubt but the Ravens have a mediocre rushing attack with him. He has zero value outside of blocking the run. I personally don't think he and Ray Rice are complimentary. Rice is not a good power running back between the tackles. He is good but he is better in space. If they spread out the offense I believe Rice would be more effective running the ball. Too many little to no gain runs on 1st and 2nd down for an offense with a full back like Leach. With Rice as the running back I think the Ravens would be better using an H-back for someone that has value in the passing game.




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    Re: Seriously, Do The Ravens Need Vonta Leach?

    I find it funny how almost every discussion about a player on offence for us ends up being about Cam's offense and how someone isn't a good fit in it. Cam is a bad OC for this team and should have been fired. That was the worst decision they made this year IMO




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    Re: Seriously, Do The Ravens Need Vonta Leach?

    Again, it all goes back to the type of offense you operate out of. Kuhn works in the Packers' offense because he's a pretty versatile player and they're whole thing is about putting as much versatility onto the field at one time. With Kuhn on the field, you're guessing because he's a good runner, a good blocker, and a good receiver. With Leach on the field, you pretty much know what his role is going to be: blocking.

    IMO, Marcel Reese is the ideal full back in the NFL right now in the league. He's an outstanding receiver and a good blocker. He can pass block as a TE and he can run block from the backfield.
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