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    Quote Originally Posted by Ravenswintitle View Post
    come on people, check the stats and stop with the blame Cam bandwagon. Flacco had more attempts last year than a lot of very good QBs but his completion percentage was under 60%. He was #10 in the league in attempts but other than Colt McCoy, you have to go all the way down to Blaine Gabbert to find someone with a worse percentage.

    It's about accuracy and receivers who can catch the ball.
    I agree. Some games Flacco is putting it on the money and other games he miss wide open receivers


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    Re: OVER/UNDER 4,000 passing yards for Flacco

    Take Flacco's career high in attempts and YPA and he's at 4,010 yards.

    Take his career high in attempts, completion rate and YPC and he's at 4,049 yards.

    Can he go over? Yeah, sure, of course he can.

    Will he? Smart money is on the under.

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    Re: OVER/UNDER 4,000 passing yards for Flacco

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    I think we where going to have to lose our older players at some point. I honestly believe that the Ravens had no intentions to re sign Redding or JJ. We will be fine, we have dealt with the loss of Reed and won, and like I said, you cannot call this a rebuilding defense when we have the players we do, even without Suggs. This is nothing like 2002.

    Haruki and Zibby where only important because they where our only real back up safeties. We signed a back up, and drafted a young promising safety to replace them. I think Christian Thompson could be better than both Haruki and Zibby, he is bigger, stronger and more athletic.
    I gotta agree with this. The last few drafts have proven that the Ravens were focused on getting younger in the front 7. The sheer number of picks they used for front 7 players over the last 3 or 4 drafts should have given that away.

    Since 2009 the Ravens have used 6 picks for the front seven. If you add this year it brings the total to 8 in 4 years.




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    Re: OVER/UNDER 4,000 passing yards for Flacco

    The real over/under is 4,000 yards........in dropped passes.
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    Re: OVER/UNDER 4,000 passing yards for Flacco

    Quote Originally Posted by ballhawk View Post
    Haha...just so you know, im not emtionally invested in what flacco's completion % is.

    But surely you know that there other factors that go into it besides just the qb.
    well this thread is about stats, specifically the 4,000 yds. That's why I'm using his attempts and low completion % to show that the offense would support it if there was a higher completion %. I also made it clear it's not all on Joe, the team had a very high rate of dropped passes but there were a few games with JF was inaccurate as hell too.

    I'm not concerned about the 4K yards; I'll take wins any way they can get them. If that means wearing down a team with constant stretch plays, so be it.
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    Re: OVER/UNDER 4,000 passing yards for Flacco

    Quote Originally Posted by Ravenswintitle View Post
    well this thread is about stats, specifically the 4,000 yds. That's why I'm using his attempts and low completion % to show that the offense would support it if there was a higher completion %. I also made it clear it's not all on Joe, the team had a very high rate of dropped passes but there were a few games with JF was inaccurate as hell too.

    I'm not concerned about the 4K yards; I'll take wins any way they can get them. If that means wearing down a team with constant stretch plays, so be it.
    Im with ya on that..




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    Re: OVER/UNDER 4,000 passing yards for Flacco

    Under. Seriously?




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    Re: OVER/UNDER 4,000 passing yards for Flacco

    The dropped passes excuse is a bit overplayed. We dropped 31 passes last year, ranking us 7th worst. If we had dropped 6 less (25 total) that would have ranked us in the top 10 best. The extra 6 receptions would have raised Joe's completion percentage like 1%, and using his YPC would have added like 70 yards to his totals. You can argue the drops were longer than the average throws, but Rice's 7 drops might argue against that.

    The point is, drops barely scratch the surface explaining the problems with our passing game last year.




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    Quote Originally Posted by Haloti92 View Post
    The dropped passes excuse is a bit overplayed. We dropped 31 passes last year, ranking us 7th worst. If we had dropped 6 less (25 total) that would have ranked us in the top 10 best. The extra 6 receptions would have raised Joe's completion percentage like 1%, and using his YPC would have added like 70 yards to his totals. You can argue the drops were longer than the average throws, but Rice's 7 drops might argue against that.

    The point is, drops barely scratch the surface explaining the problems with our passing game last year.
    thats also going off what one site is calling a drop, which really comes down to opinion of what is or isnt. im not sure there is a standard definition that everyone uses for that particular stat (personally i dont think there can be without context). could be 10 more or 10 less just based on opinion.

    the thing about dropped passes are they kill drives and kill momentum and rhythm. QB is a rhythm position and when youre already asked to throw deep balls that arent very high completion percentage passes, its really hurts you more when you cant even dump off to your RB or TE without him dropping it as well. offenses are dependent on getting in synch and those are just things that throw you off as a whole. So yeah, statistically maybe not much different, but its more about what would have been after than on that one particular pass alone.
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    Re: OVER/UNDER 4,000 passing yards for Flacco

    Quote Originally Posted by Haloti92 View Post
    The dropped passes excuse is a bit overplayed. We dropped 31 passes last year, ranking us 7th worst. If we had dropped 6 less (25 total) that would have ranked us in the top 10 best. The extra 6 receptions would have raised Joe's completion percentage like 1%, and using his YPC would have added like 70 yards to his totals. You can argue the drops were longer than the average throws, but Rice's 7 drops might argue against that.

    The point is, drops barely scratch the surface explaining the problems with our passing game last year.
    I think that the 31 dropped passes number is off. I started keeping a tally just for grins midway through the season and I had noted at least 24 or 25 dropped passes at that point. I guess it depends on what is considered a dropped pass. IMO, a dropped pass is any thrown ball that hits a player in the hands/arms/chest/etc and they don't hang onto it or catch it. There was a stretch of the season where Torrey had like 8 or 9 dropped passes by himself.

    I agree with you that dropped passes weren't the biggest issue with the passing game, but they were a problem. You can't really put a value on it, but when a would-be 1st down that is dropped or a would-be TD that is dropped is a total morale killer in the huddle and on the sideline. Speaking from experience, there is nothing worse than being a QB and wondering if you receivers are going to catch the ball or not when you call their number. That shit can drive you crazy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JAB1985 View Post
    thats also going off what one site is calling a drop, which really comes down to opinion of what is or isnt. im not sure there is a standard definition that everyone uses for that particular stat (personally i dont think there can be without context). could be 10 more or 10 less just based on opinion.

    the thing about dropped passes are they kill drives and kill momentum and rhythm. QB is a rhythm position and when youre already asked to throw deep balls that arent very high completion percentage passes, its really hurts you more when you cant even dump off to your RB or TE without him dropping it as well. offenses are dependent on getting in synch and those are just things that throw you off as a whole. So yeah, statistically maybe not much different, but its more about what would have been after than on that one particular pass alone.
    I agree the stat is subjective but I don't see how that changes anything in terms of the argument.

    And as for how a "drop" can kill a drive or affect your offense more than the actual loss of yardage on that single play, I agree, but that is the case for all drops, including the ones made by other teams' receivers. Unless one tries to argue we somehow had special drops (in terms of the situations) that other teams avoided, I don't see how this really changes anything either.

    Drops certainly matter, they certainly hurt, they certainly want to be avoided. But I am just saying they do not explain anywhere near the full difference between our results and other teams, nor even the difference between our results in 2011 vs our results in 2010. Other things factored in, and they factored in much more heavily than a half-dozen or so drops.




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    Re: OVER/UNDER 4,000 passing yards for Flacco

    I would guess Flacco will be right around 4000, plus or minus 200 yards in either direction. I know last year was a "down" year for him, but last year was also the first time I really felt like I saw him growing into something more than a game-manager. It seemed like he showed great improvement towards the end of the season, especially the playoffs, and I look forward to seeing how that carries over into this coming season. If Torrey Smith can become more than just a home-run threat between his rookie and sophomore campaigns like Mike Wallace did, then Flacco will easily surpass 4000 yards. As long as Torrey shows modest improvement I still think 4000 is within reach given that the pecking order at TE is a bit more defined with Pitta as the guy and Dickson as a playmaking TE; as opposed to last season when they attempted to use him as an every-down, possession TE. At this point, I think Anquan Boldin is what he is, which is a top-notch slot receiver who still has enough athleticism to play on the outsides on 1st & short yardage downs.

    At this point last year, we weren't sure who the #2 receiver would be, who our starting TE would be, and how any of our young players would grow or perform. The only wild-card this year is Tandon Doss vs. the field for the #3 receiver position. I think that continuity alone will account for greater success in the passing game.




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    Re: OVER/UNDER 4,000 passing yards for Flacco

    Quote Originally Posted by Haloti92 View Post
    I agree the stat is subjective but I don't see how that changes anything in terms of the argument.

    And as for how a "drop" can kill a drive or affect your offense more than the actual loss of yardage on that single play, I agree, but that is the case for all drops, including the ones made by other teams' receivers. Unless one tries to argue we somehow had special drops (in terms of the situations) that other teams avoided, I don't see how this really changes anything either.

    Drops certainly matter, they certainly hurt, they certainly want to be avoided. But I am just saying they do not explain anywhere near the full difference between our results and other teams, nor even the difference between our results in 2011 vs our results in 2010. Other things factored in, and they factored in much more heavily than a half-dozen or so drops.
    To me the biggest issue is the nature of the route tree in which Cam is asking the receivers to run & combining that with 7 (or more) step drops from Flacco. It's rare that you see Ravens' receivers going for uncontested passes. Schematically, it just doesn't seem that there is a vested interest in attempting to get receivers into open spaces.

    The passing game is very mundane and predictable.
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    Quote Originally Posted by wickedsolo View Post
    I think that the 31 dropped passes number is off. I started keeping a tally just for grins midway through the season and I had noted at least 24 or 25 dropped passes at that point. I guess it depends on what is considered a dropped pass. IMO, a dropped pass is any thrown ball that hits a player in the hands/arms/chest/etc and they don't hang onto it or catch it. There was a stretch of the season where Torrey had like 8 or 9 dropped passes by himself.

    I agree with you that dropped passes weren't the biggest issue with the passing game, but they were a problem. You can't really put a value on it, but when a would-be 1st down that is dropped or a would-be TD that is dropped is a total morale killer in the huddle and on the sideline. Speaking from experience, there is nothing worse than being a QB and wondering if you receivers are going to catch the ball or not when you call their number. That shit can drive you crazy.
    It drive me crazy also, and drops are certainly a subjective and unofficial stat (and that makes sense considering what is being judged), but I am not sure that the relative stats would change much if one varied the criteria. Maybe they would. I am certainly not in a position to watch every play of every NFL game to check.




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    Re: OVER/UNDER 4,000 passing yards for Flacco

    Quote Originally Posted by Haloti92 View Post
    It drive me crazy also, and drops are certainly a subjective and unofficial stat (and that makes sense considering what is being judged), but I am not sure that the relative stats would change much if one varied the criteria. Maybe they would. I am certainly not in a position to watch every play of every NFL game to check.
    It's kind of like in baseball where the 3rd basemen picks up a grounder, guns it to 1st, and is a bad throw, but the 1st baseman gets the error.

    Maybe that's a bad example.

    That's why I could never understand why Tandon Doss never got any playing time at all last year except for a few snaps in the last game IIRC. He's not a speedster, but one thing he brings to the table is consistent hands. At least from a collegiate stance. He was considered to have the best/most natural hands out of any receiver in his draft class. Secondly, it was obvious that Pitta was the most consistent receiver last year...yet Dickson always started. I never understood that.
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