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Re: Philly extend up LeSean McCoy
Frankly, total yards is an "easy" way to depict whether or not a RB had a better season than the other, but I don't think it tells the whole story whatsoever. Again, I'll always feel this way, stats are useful, but only tell part of the story. IMO, Maurice Jones-Drew had the best season out of any RB last year simply because of the lack of any other offense around them. Granted, there are lots of factors that go into the season of a RB, but last year MJD was (IMO) had the best season out of any RB and IIRC, he didn't have nearly the yards from scrimmage or total yards of Ray Rice or Darren Sproles.
I think Rice and McCoy are comparable RB's, but I think both bring different elements to the table that the other doesn't have. Rice has excellent vision, patience, and balance. McCoy has elite quickness and high end speed. Both are good receivers. Rice is thicker, but McCoy is taller. Rice has a lower center of gravity, but McCoy is 2 years younger.
It's kind of like 6 in one hand 1/2 dozen in the other.
At the end of the day - contractually speaking - Rice and his agent have to realize that two of the top two RB's under 26 years old just signed for deals significantly less than what AP and CJ got.Disclaimer: The content posted is of my own opinion.
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Re: Philly extend up LeSean McCoy
But here is the other point to the story. Rice is our main guy on our offense, McCoy and Foster are not. Both Foster and McCoy are of course very very important to their teams offense (more so Foster than McCoy), however Rice is our main consistent player on offense, yeah he has had some bad play off games here and there (a lot of the time due to poor execution on the offensive line), but he has been more consistent than any of our offensive players discounting the offensive line and Vonta Leach.
The truth is, the Texans where not sweating too much if Foster didn't sign an extension to what they offered him, because they have Ben Tate, plus a better offensive line, maybe the best in football, and of course don't forget about Andre Johnson. The Eagles where probably not worried what so ever about it, and extending McCoy was a total luxury for them, and I only wished we could have extended Rice back in 2010. It doesn't matter about all the sides to the story, Rice and his agent can easily just say that those RB's where not as important to their offenses over the years as Rice has been to us, and will there for be demanding more money.
And just to clear some things up, Sproles is a fantastic RB, but I'd take Rice over him any day, as would the Saints, believe that.
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05-22-2012, 12:44 PM #123
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Re: Philly extend up LeSean McCoy
If the Texans thought Tate could step right in they wouldn't have paid Foster anywhere close to the money they did.
It doesn't really matter who does what in which system. All that matters is what the player would get on the open market. That's what both the team and the player are trying to figure out. If they can't agree on that then Rice plays for the tag number this year and they start all over again in 2013.
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05-22-2012, 12:45 PM #124
I am sure if the Ravens had weapons like Vick and Jackson that would most def have helped Rice. When you play the eagles Vick can kill you and Jackson can. I still take Rice over McCoy. Plus the Ravens played 11 games against top 10 defenses last year.
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05-22-2012, 12:49 PM #125
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05-22-2012, 12:53 PM #126Hall Of Fame Poster
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Re: Philly extend up LeSean McCoy
I didn't say Rice has a better offensive situation, I said he is playing in a more RB friendly scheme. By that I meant the Ravens are built around a power running game with an old-school lead-blocker. In our offense the RB will be rushing the ball and catching the ball an absurd amount of times in a scheme designed for him to flourish. The Eagles in their WCO are not going to scheme as much to feature their RB. Your points are valid, but you are answering a question I did not ask, so to speak. (You're also just plain crazy if you think the Eagles had a better OL than we did last year, particularly interior OL. The Eagles had one of the league's worst interior OL while we had a top-3 unit there when Grubbs was healthy.)
You are right that the Eagles are a more multiple offense than we are, but a lot of your other points are not supported by the facts. Regarding how many 8-9 man fronts Rice is facing vs. McCoy, that's difficult to know without charting each game carefully. But in games when the Eagles went very run-heavy, which will usually cause teams to run a lot of stacked boxes, McCoy was still very effective. He averaged 4.6 YPC on carries 21 and over in 2011 while Rice averaged 4.25 on carries 21 and over, so even deep into a run-heavy game both backs were good, McCoy was better.
Stats vs. common opponents are almost a wash. Rice averaged 4.96 YPC vs the Rams, 49ers, Seahawks, and Jets, while McCoy averaged 5.18 (and hteir performances were individually pretty close overall.) Virtually identical, again McCoy is slightly ahead. Finally, regarding the quality of run defense in the respective divisions, the AFC North is ahead, but not by much. The Browns, Bengals, and Steelers average 13th in run defense by YPC allowed; the Giants, Redskins, and Cowboys were 17th.
And regarding Vick running, he actually ran by far the least he's ever run in his career this past year. He only had 76 attempts in 13 games--he had 100 in 11 in 2010 while still finding the time to throw McCoy 78 passes. So, that part of your argument doesn't seem to hold up. I also think you're overestimating the impact of the Eagles' passing game. Maybe in 2010 Vick was incredible, but he was distinctly average last year.
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05-22-2012, 01:24 PM #128
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05-22-2012, 01:31 PM #129
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Re: Philly extend up LeSean McCoy
At this point it's more about Rice's agent's reputation than anything else. The Ravens can dress the contract up and make it look like Rice's agent got him a better deal than what Foster and McCoy signed for. Build some hefty roster bonuses into the back end of it, give some highly unlikely to be earned incentives and basically make the 5th/ 6th year a sham year. Everybody wins. The Ravens get their guy without over paying. And Rice's agent gets to boast about how he got Rice a bigger contract than Foster and McCoy. Oh, yeah and Rice get's paid.
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05-22-2012, 01:34 PM #130
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Re: Philly extend up LeSean McCoy
Can I ask if you got that from Hensley? If so I wouldn't pay much mind to it. He was writing what HE thinks and stating his opinion, there are no real evident sources to that information. (Unless you read it from somewhere else.) I think he said something along the lines of "Rice may want more like the money Chris Johnson and Adrian Peterson got".
31 million guaranteed is just too much for a back, I am very pro Rice, but no way in hell do I think the Ravens should do that.
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05-22-2012, 01:35 PM #132
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