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    Re: All-time Ravens "dream team"



    I would put our "alltime" defense up against the steelers "alltime" defense...what you guys think?




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    Re: All-time Ravens "dream team"

    Quote Originally Posted by SouthSide View Post
    I like Vonta Leach too.

    But don't forget that we had Sam Gash and Lorenzo Neal at one time, too. I think both, but epsecially Neal, compare well to Leach as devastating blockers.

    Or are we only counting their years as Ravens? I would love to have seen Neal block for Jamal Lewis.
    Sam Gash and Lorenzo Neal where awesome full backs, and really it's hard to tell which of the three are the best, because they where all really good.




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    Quote Originally Posted by mfdoom42 View Post
    Here's my starting lineup...

    QB- Joe Flacco, 2011
    RB- Jamal Lewis, 2003 & Ray Rice, 2011
    FB- Vonta Leach 2011
    SE- Michael Jackson, 1996
    SL- Derrick Mason, 2009 or Anquan Boldin, 2010
    FL- Torrey Smith, 2011 or Derrick Alexander, 1996
    TE- Shannon Sharpe, 2000 & Todd Heap, 2005
    LT- Jon Ogden, does it matter?
    LG- Wally Williams, 1996 or Ben Grubbs, 2010 or Edwin Mulitalo, 2003
    C - Matt Birk, 2010
    RG- Marshal Yanda, 2011
    RT- Michael Oher, 2009 or Orlando Brown, 1996

    DE- Terrell Suggs, 2011
    DT- Sam Adams, 2000
    DT- Haloti Ngata, 2010
    DE- Michael McCrary, 1998
    OLB- Peter Boulware, 2001
    MLB- Ray Lewis, 2000 (again, does it matter?)
    OLB- Bart Scott, 2006
    CB- Chris McCallister, 2003
    CB- Lardarius Webb, 2011
    CB- Duane Starks, 2000
    FS- Rod Woodson, 2000
    SS- Ed Reed, 2004

    K- Matt Stover, any or Billy Cundiff, 2010
    P- Sam Koch, 2010
    I agree so the base d would be a 43

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    Re: All-time Ravens "dream team"

    Quote Originally Posted by JustaslowZ06 View Post
    Yeah I think I'd go with Vinnie's 96 year over Flacco, hard to argue with 4000+ yards and 33 TD,s. Match that up with J.Lewis and R.Rice in the backfield. Boldin, MJ and Mason, along with Shannon and Heap as the TE's.
    The team went 4-12 and was ranked dead last in defense. Testerverde put up those numbers because they were playing from behind most of the time, not because he was a superior player.




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    Re: All-time Ravens "dream team"

    Quote Originally Posted by LukeDaniel View Post
    Okay, so let's vote for the starting and backup QBs,

    The nominees are:

    Vinny Testaverde (1996): 4-12 record, 4177 passing yards, 59.2 completion %, 33TD-19INT, 88.7 passer rating
    Joe Flacco (2010): 12-4 record, 3622 passing yards, 62.6 completion %, 25 TD-10 INT, 93.6 passer rating
    Steve McNair (2006):13-3 record, 3050 passing yards, 63.0 completion %, 16TD-12INT, 82.5 passer rating.


    One first place vote equals 2 points, 2nd place vote equals one point. First QB to collect 25 points is our starter. Next to collect 20 points is our backup.
    #1 Flacco, Backup- Steve McNair. Stats are for Jamie Dukes, wins are all that matters.

    Sharpe 2000

    Webb 2011

    McGahee 2007




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    Re: All-time Ravens "dream team"

    Seems like Sharpe 2000 is fairly unanimous. Same with Flacco 2010, which IMO was the best season we've seen from a QB in terms of winning and offensive proficiency. I will mark those two in, along with Heap as the backup.




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    Re: All-time Ravens "dream team"

    1-Joe Flacco, starting QB, 2010
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    4- Ray Rice, backup RB, 2011
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    6-Vonta Leach, FB, 2011
    7-Shannon Sharpe, starting TE, 2000
    8-Todd Heap, backup TE, 2005
    9-Eric Green, #3 TE, 1997
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    29-Terrell Suggs, starting DE, 2011
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    31- Ray Lewis, starting MLB, 2000
    32- Peter Boulware, starting OLB, 2001 (15 sacks)
    33- Chris McAlister, starting CB, 2003
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    36-Rod Woodson, starting FS, 2000
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    Re: All-time Ravens "dream team"

    I will offer up another interesting matchup, 2000 Matt Stover vs. 2006 Matt Stover. Everyone seems to think Stover 2000 is a given, but I do believe Stover 2006 was something like 30-for-32 on FGs.

    We still haven't reached a consensus on Webb 2011 vs. Starks 2000

    or Holmes 98 vs. McGahee 07

    or Testaverde 96 vs. McNair 06

    or JJ 2009 vs. Adalius Thomas 05 vs. Adalius Thomas 06 vs. Jamie Sharper 00 vs. Jamie Sharper 2010.

    Here's another interesting one: The battle for our #3 WR. Anquan Boldin 2010 vs. Boldin 2011 vs. Alexander 1996 vs. Ismail 1999. All three guys will round out the 3-5 WR slots, but in what order?

    Here's another: Willie Anderson 2008 vs. Orlando Brown 1996

    And another: Two backup safety slots- Dawan Landry 2006, Jim Leonhard 2008, Kim Herring 2000, Eric Turner 1996, Bernard Pollard 2011

    I don't know how to do the poll things on here. If someone had the time to throw these into one of those polls, it should allow us to solidify some of the remaining spots.
    Last edited by LukeDaniel; 05-16-2012 at 12:00 AM.




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    Re: All-time Ravens "dream team"

    I re-watched all four Raven playoff games in the 00-01 super bowl season and I was amazed how good OJ Brigance was at kickoff coverage.
    I'm inclined to just award him a spot.


    Right now, I'm trying to think of who to fill out the 3 special teams slots on the roster.

    I'm thinking of the following players:

    Ayanbadejo 2008
    Brigance 2000
    Brad Jackson 2000
    Robert Bailey 2000 (loved that guy...very underated)
    James Trapp 2000

    Any others come to mind? I was thinking Bart Scott 2002, where he was a special teams demon, but I'm fairly certain Scott 2006 has a spot waiting for him as a reserve LB already.




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    Re: All-time Ravens "dream team"

    Kelly Gregg would have to get some type of spot on the rotation I'd think.




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    Re: All-time Ravens "dream team"

    Quote Originally Posted by Lime in the Coconut View Post
    Kelly Gregg would have to get some type of spot on the rotation I'd think.
    Yes, Another interesting competition would be Siragusa vs. Gregg.

    Frankly, I think Gregg might very well have had 4-5 years better than Siragusa's 2000 season.

    Siragusa's best year as a Raven was 1999, where he had 34 tackles and 3.5 sacks in just 14 games. In 2000, he only had 20 tackles and 0 sacks in 15 games. I realize stats aren't a very effective way of evaluating a interior D-lineman, but the eye test says Siragasa 1999 was a better season.

    I'm not sure which year I'd single out as Gregg's best though. In 2003, he had an astonishing 63 tackles and 17 assits to go along with 3 sacks. In 2006, he had 41 tackles, 21 assists, 3.5 sacks, 1 FF, and 3 fumble recoveries for 59 yards. His 07 and 05 seasons were very good as well, but I think it would boil down between 2003 and 06 for him. 63 tackles for an interior D-lineman is a really good number. Sam Adams had a very good 14 year career and never had more than 37 in a season. Gregg wasn't a pocket collapsing avalanche like Adams, but he was more versatile in terms of what he could do at that position.

    I'd think the last of the 3 reserve DL positions would go to Rob Burnett 2000. Burnett had an AV of 21 that year, which is actually the 2nd best AV in Ravens history----and he's not even a starter.




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    Re: All-time Ravens "dream team"

    One last update before bed:

    1-Joe Flacco, starting QB, 2010
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    3- Jamal Lewis,starting RB, 2003
    4- Ray Rice, backup RB, 2011
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    6-Vonta Leach, FB, 2011
    7-Shannon Sharpe, starting TE, 2000
    8-Todd Heap, backup TE, 2005
    9-Eric Green, #3 TE, 1997
    10-Jon Ogden, starting LT, 2003
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    13-Marshall Yanda, starting RG, 2011
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    18-Michael Jackson, starting WR, 1996
    19-Derrick Mason, starting WR, 2008
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    25-Sam Koch, P, 2010
    26-Michael McCrary, starting DE, 1998 (a far better season than his 2000 season)
    27-Haloti Ngata, starting DT, 2010
    28-Sam Adams, starting DT, 2000
    29-Terrell Suggs, starting DE, 2011
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    31- Ray Lewis, starting MLB, 2000
    32- Peter Boulware, starting OLB, 2001 (15 sacks)
    33- Chris McAlister, starting CB, 2003
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    35-Ed Reed, starting SS, 2004
    36-Rod Woodson, starting FS, 2000
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    38-Samari Rolle, dimeback, 2006
    39-Chris Carr, #5 CB, 2010 (I think he deserves this spot)
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    48-Tony Siragusa, reserve DT, 1999
    49-Rob Burnett, reserve DE, 2000
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    Re: All-time Ravens "dream team"

    Also, I pulled Jermaine Lewis 2000 off the list for a moment so he could be compared with his 97 and 2001 seasons.



    1997- 28 punt returns, 437 yards, 15.6 YPR (lead league), 2 punt return TD, long 89------41 kickoff returns, 905 yards, 22.1 YPR, long 51, 683 yards from scrimmage, 2025 all purpose yards (4th in ravens history).

    2000- 36 punt returns, 578 yards, 16.1 YPR, 2 TD, long 89----only one 1 kickoff return, 23 yards (I believe Corey Harris handled kickoffs that year). 199 yards from scrimmage, 800 all purpose yards

    2001- 42 returns, 519 yards (led league), 12.4 YPR, 0 TD, long 62-----42 kickoffs, 1039 yards, 24.7 YPR, long 76, 0 TD, 76 yards from scrimmage, 1623 all purpose yards


    Lewis is remembered for his 2000 season, and the kickoff return in the Super Bowl, but that was one of only a few kickoffs he returned that year. He was mainly just a punt return dynamo.

    His 1997 season could be viewed as better because he was the same punt return dynamo (15.6 YPR vs. 16.1), but he also returned kickoffs in 1997 while contributing 648 receiving yards and 35 rushing yards.

    The spotlight accentuated Lewis' rare talents a little more brightly in 2000, but 1997 might have been his best season in Black and Purple.




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    Re: All-time Ravens "dream team"

    Tbh everyone thinks Flacco of 2010 was the best year, but statistically his best year was 2009.

    2009 Flacco:
    Att- 499
    Comp- 315
    PCT- 63.1 %
    Yards- 3,613
    TD- 21
    INT- 12
    Rating- 88.9

    2010 Flacco:
    Att- 489
    Comp- 306
    PCT- 62.6 %
    Yards- 3,622
    TD- 25
    INT- 10
    Rating- 93.6

    Ok on second thoughts, I was probably wrong.
    Last edited by leachisabeast; 05-16-2012 at 04:26 AM. Reason: Was wrong




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    Re: All-time Ravens "dream team"

    Quote Originally Posted by LukeDaniel View Post
    I re-watched all four Raven playoff games in the 00-01 super bowl season and I was amazed how good OJ Brigance was at kickoff coverage.
    I'm inclined to just award him a spot.


    Right now, I'm trying to think of who to fill out the 3 special teams slots on the roster.

    I'm thinking of the following players:

    Ayanbadejo 2008
    Brigance 2000
    Brad Jackson 2000
    Robert Bailey 2000 (loved that guy...very underated)
    James Trapp 2000

    Any others come to mind? I was thinking Bart Scott 2002, where he was a special teams demon, but I'm fairly certain Scott 2006 has a spot waiting for him as a reserve LB already.
    I think Bennie Thompson (1998) should be one of the three. He was a terror on ST and the only ST person who's jersey I ever bought....strictly because of his intensity.




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