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    Re: Rookie PK Tucker is Impressing



    Quote Originally Posted by alien bird View Post
    I'll reiterate the point that he may not have known if a timeout was available. In that case, calling a time out that doesn't exist would result in a penalty (and maybe even a ten second runoff? - I'm not sure on the rule). That would have been a Chris Webber NCAA Finals all over again, and Cundiff would have been roasted.

    Calling a time out was all on the coaches. Blame Cundiff for running out late, missing a chip shot, etc - but don't blame him for not calling a timeout.
    thats my thoughts. he missed a chip shot under poor circumstances. even running out late was an issue that wasnt entirely his fault, if i remember correctly, there was some confusion on the down or whether or not the play was going to be reviewd or something like that. Im also not saying there might not be better options than Cundiff (although i dont think anybody is getting rid of the ones that are), but i still think hes unjustly criticized for things that werent entirely his fault.
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    Re: Rookie PK Tucker is Impressing

    Quote Originally Posted by leachisabeast View Post
    Although I'd love him to do well and even become our starting kicker in 2012 (would probably save some cap space by cutting Cundiff), I'm not sure that I'm confident that a rookie PK can start for a team like us. Imagine a divisional round play off game now, a kick to win the game are you really going to trust this guy?
    He wouldn't do any worse than Billy in the last 11 seconds in NE and
    if he can kick 60 yarders he just might do better. Who knows?




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    Re: Rookie PK Tucker is Impressing

    Well, hitting 60 yarders in practice vs game time situations is vastly different.
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    Re: Rookie PK Tucker is Impressing

    Wasn't the Saints kicker, Hartley?, a rookie the year they won the Superbowl?




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    Re: Rookie PK Tucker is Impressing

    Quote Originally Posted by Corey View Post
    Wasn't the Saints kicker, Hartley?, a rookie the year they won the Superbowl?
    2nd year guy. He only played in 5 games that year; 8 the year before.




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    Re: Rookie PK Tucker is Impressing

    Quote Originally Posted by wickedsolo View Post
    Well, hitting 60 yarders in practice vs game time situations is vastly different.
    Agreed.

    And, besides, until the Ravens actually sign Tucker (or any other PK, for that matter), it's all kind of a moot point.
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    Re: Rookie PK Tucker is Impressing

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  8. #38

    Re: Rookie PK Tucker is Impressing

    If he earns the shot, I'm all for it. Due to salary differences, tome, that means that Cundiff has to outplay him. I believe that the coaching staff would see that last statement from the otherside.
    I like the fact that he could punt in a pinch too, at least better then most kickers and QB's...
    As an ex-soccer player, I'm really not sure why there aren't more double duty kickers. I guess the chance of injury would be one of the reasons to want seperate kickers, though it seems that Qb's end up being the backup punter(Boller, Slash)s and WR's the backup kickers(Ocho, Welker). It's strange to me for sure.




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    Re: Rookie PK Tucker is Impressing

    Quote Originally Posted by NJRaven View Post
    this.

    i really don't see how you can put a big kick on him again and feel comfortable. he looks to me like someone who would have a hard time getting over that miss.
    This is what bothers me. Billy did not just missed. He missed by a mile. That is hard to forget for the fans and Billy. The problems were showing before that game.




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    Quote Originally Posted by Mike B View Post
    This is what bothers me. Billy did not just missed. He missed by a mile. That is hard to forget for the fans and Billy. The problems were showing before that game.


    I too am worried about "Vanderjagdt" syndrome. I'm afraid he will never have the confidence to be a solid, reliable kicker ever again. Time to move on.




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    Re: Rookie PK Tucker is Impressing

    Quote Originally Posted by alien bird View Post
    I'll reiterate the point that he may not have known if a timeout was available. In that case, calling a time out that doesn't exist would result in a penalty (and maybe even a ten second runoff? - I'm not sure on the rule). That would have been a Chris Webber NCAA Finals all over again, and Cundiff would have been roasted.

    Calling a time out was all on the coaches. Blame Cundiff for running out late, missing a chip shot, etc - but don't blame him for not calling a timeout.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jonboy79 View Post
    I too am worried about "Vanderjagdt" syndrome. I'm afraid he will never have the confidence to be a solid, reliable kicker ever again. Time to move on.
    That is exactly what I meant...And I like Cundiff, but this was not just a miss, it was a miss with the SB on the line. It was way wide. I am niot sure a rookie is the way to go, but if Cundiff were to miss a game winner against the Bengals in game 1, it would get ugly.




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    Re: Rookie PK Tucker is Impressing

    Quote Originally Posted by Mike B View Post
    That is exactly what I meant...And I like Cundiff, but this was not just a miss, it was a miss with the SB on the line. It was way wide. I am niot sure a rookie is the way to go, but if Cundiff were to miss any FG against the Bengals in game 1, it would get ugly.

    Fixed that for you.

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    Re: Rookie PK Tucker is Impressing

    Man, as bad as he missed that kick, I'm not sure a timeout could have saved it.
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    Re: Rookie PK Tucker is Impressing

    Quote Originally Posted by The Excellector View Post
    Man, as bad as he missed that kick, I'm not sure a timeout could have saved it.
    I'm kind of 50/50 on this.

    If it were like a 48 or 50+ yard FG...a time out probably would have made a world of difference and honestly, the TO probably would have made a significant difference anyway, but that still doesn't negate that the FG I think was 32 yards (a chip shot for practically any NFL kicker) and he was in the middle of the field for the most part.

    Correct me if I'm wrong, but the FG's he had missed previously also were "pulls", right?

    I think the TO argument would be a lot more plausible if he banked it off the post or something, but he flat out missed the uprights by like 20 feet.
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