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    Re: Rookie PK Tucker is Impressing



    Quote Originally Posted by JAB1985 View Post
    I think in Cundiffs situation (running out on the field late with little time to prepare), you could trot out all 32 starters for one try at the same kick and it would be pretty split as far as makes/misses, even though it was a shorter kick. He missed it and the others werent put in that situation, rightfully imo, so well never know. To me its more on harbaugh, saving that timeout until the end of the game was exactly for that situation.
    That episode was the worst bit of coaching that I have seen in Ravens history. The only fault I see for Cundiff was not over-riding Harbaugh by calling a timeout himself. Many other NFL kickers would have missed the FG in the same situation. The coaching staff knows this and the job is Cundiff's to lose.

    I welcome seeing a strong-legged rookie in camp, but doubtful that he provides serious competition.
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    Re: Rookie PK Tucker is Impressing

    Quote Originally Posted by Mista T View Post
    That episode was the worst bit of coaching that I have seen in Ravens history. The only fault I see for Cundiff was not over-riding Harbaugh by calling a timeout himself. Many other NFL kickers would have missed the FG in the same situation. The coaching staff knows this and the job is Cundiff's to lose.

    I welcome seeing a strong-legged rookie in camp, but doubtful that he provides serious competition.
    This.

    I think the coaching staff likes Cundiff, and he is going to be the kicker in 2012, "competition" not withstanding. Graham Gano was supposed to provide competition, too, and we know how that turned out.




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    Quote Originally Posted by Mista T View Post
    That episode was the worst bit of coaching that I have seen in Ravens history. The only fault I see for Cundiff was not over-riding Harbaugh by calling a timeout himself. Many other NFL kickers would have missed the FG in the same situation. The coaching staff knows this and the job is Cundiff's to lose.

    I welcome seeing a strong-legged rookie in camp, but doubtful that he provides serious competition.
    true. in that situation i think he had enough going through his mind though, which is why it was ultimately the coaches call to take it, but it would have been nice if he had the awareness to call it himself with time running out.
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    Re: Rookie PK Tucker is Impressing

    Quote Originally Posted by Mista T View Post
    That episode was the worst bit of coaching that I have seen in Ravens history. The only fault I see for Cundiff was not over-riding Harbaugh by calling a timeout himself. Many other NFL kickers would have missed the FG in the same situation. The coaching staff knows this and the job is Cundiff's to lose.

    I welcome seeing a strong-legged rookie in camp, but doubtful that he provides serious competition.
    If Cundiff felt rushed, he should've burned the TO. Bad coaching yes, but Cundiff had every opportunity to call a timeout.




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    Quote Originally Posted by Paintballguy View Post
    If Cundiff felt rushed, he should've burned the TO. Bad coaching yes, but Cundiff had every opportunity to call a timeout.
    Cundiff was preparing on the sidelines for the kick. He may not even have known there was a timeout to use. For all he knew, especially the way he was rushed onto the field, he may have thought there were no time outs. That really isn't on him at all.




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    Re: Rookie PK Tucker is Impressing

    What I really wish we knew was the impact that the touchback record played in Cundiff getting that long term contract. With the rule changes suddenly finding someone who can do that isn't that difficult.
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    Re: Rookie PK Tucker is Impressing

    Quote Originally Posted by alien bird View Post
    Cundiff was preparing on the sidelines for the kick. He may not even have known there was a timeout to use. For all he knew, especially the way he was rushed onto the field, he may have thought there were no time outs. That really isn't on him at all.
    Being rushed was definitely more on the coaching staff than Cundiff, but again he could have called a time out if he wasn't prepared.

    Regardless of being rushed, it was a chip shot. We're not talking about lining up for a 50 yarder or something. We're talking about a kick that was pretty much right in the middle of the field and was 30 yards out. He probably hits 30-yarders blindfolded in practice.



    Regarding the rookie kicker: I'm not holding out reservations that he'll be able to truly beat out Cundiff, however it would be a good thing for the Ravens to IR him or try and keep him on the PS for the season to groom and potentially replace Cundiff next season.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GOTA View Post
    What I really wish we knew was the impact that the touchback record played in Cundiff getting that long term contract. With the rule changes suddenly finding someone who can do that isn't that difficult.
    What makes me scratch my head even more specifically with the kick off's was he went from booming the ball down the field to barely getting past the 5 yard line or just barely sneaking it into the end zone. The year before (prior to them moving the spot up 5 yards) he was putting kick off's through the end zone without any problem. Now all of a sudden because they give him another 5 yards he can't do that? I don't get that.

    I had read that it was a decision of the coaching staff to have him tee the ball up a bit differently so there would be more loft/air under the kick off, which would allow the coverage units to get down the field quicker before the returner got a full head of steam. If this is true, I think it seriously backfired throughout the season.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GOTA View Post
    What I really wish we knew was the impact that the touchback record played in Cundiff getting that long term contract. With the rule changes suddenly finding someone who can do that isn't that difficult.
    6-8 yards deep is going to be returned now, but Cundiff should be able to go farther than that. Being five yards closer, he should be kicking a good many right out of the back of the end zone, and that just didn't happen in 2011. He averaged 71.1 yds on kickoffs in 2010, and 67.8 yards in 2011, but those guys are running that stuff out now because the gunners don't get the same start they once did.

    That being said, he was still #1 in the league in kickoff distance (6th in touchback % and 7th in total # of touchbacks), but the Ravens had the 2nd worst numbers for kick return yardage. Maybe the rest of the team just needs to learn to cover better.




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    Re: Rookie PK Tucker is Impressing

    Quote Originally Posted by alien bird View Post
    6-8 yards deep is going to be returned now, but Cundiff should be able to go farther than that. Being five yards closer, he should be kicking a good many right out of the back of the end zone, and that just didn't happen in 2011. He averaged 71.1 yds on kickoffs in 2010, and 67.8 yards in 2011, but those guys are running that stuff out now because the gunners don't get the same start they once did.

    That being said, he was still #1 in the league in kickoff distance (6th in touchback % and 7th in total # of touchbacks), but the Ravens had the 2nd worst numbers for kick return yardage. Maybe the rest of the team just needs to learn to cover better.
    Well, a lot of that had to do specifically with the kick coverage inadequacies. ST's coverage was pretty abysmal last season.


    Hopefully guys like Corey Graham, Shaun Considine, and Chavis Williams can step up there and improve those units.
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    Re: Rookie PK Tucker is Impressing

    Quote Originally Posted by wickedsolo View Post
    Well, a lot of that had to do specifically with the kick coverage inadequacies. ST's coverage was pretty abysmal last season.


    Hopefully guys like Corey Graham, Shaun Considine, and Chavis Williams can step up there and improve those units.
    Harbaugh seems to have an issue getting rid of these coaches with underperforming units. Kick coverage has sucked for years now.
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    Re: Rookie PK Tucker is Impressing

    Quote Originally Posted by GOTA View Post
    Harbaugh seems to have an issue getting rid of these coaches with underperforming units. Kick coverage has sucked for years now.
    I agree.

    According to this article when he was hired in 08:
    http://www.baltimoreravens.com/News/...ordinator.aspx

    He has had some success as a ST's coach. For whatever reason, it hasn't happened here.

    I dont know what the deal is, but what I'd like to see is Ozzie and Bisciotti step in if this season doesn't get exponentially better and basically tell Harbaugh that he needs to make some changes in his coaching staff.
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    Re: Rookie PK Tucker is Impressing

    Quote Originally Posted by wickedsolo View Post
    He has had some success as a ST's coach. For whatever reason, it hasn't happened here.
    Gotta be overrated in our minds.
    Things like that are nice on a resume but I'm sure we can come up with exception after exception...
    First one that comes quickly to mind is offesnive genius Billick, wins a championship on D.
    Tony Dungey, defensive guru, loses a SB with weak D, but has an O that is lights out.

    Never really hear the irony with lateral moves.

    Offensive Genius Jim Fassel did take a team to the SB as a HC. They scored 7 points and 152 yds of offense (Course Ray Lewis and company had some say in that).

    There are bona-fide genus/guru labels (Bill Walsh) but a lot are a result of circumstances and opportunity.

    That said, Harbs is a great HC, and WAS a succesful ST coach.
    Having a HC continue to perform according to his "genius title" looks like worse odds than a 1st round QB's success, which doesn't stop them from being drafted or the Coach from being hired.


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    Re: Rookie PK Tucker is Impressing

    Quote Originally Posted by arnie_uk View Post
    Are you really going to trust billy?
    I know Billy disappointed us last year but he makes that kick more often than not. I put that miss more on Harbaugh trying to save a time out that he's going to lose anyway, than on Billy.

    Rookie vs. Cundiff? truthfully, I'd rather have Stover but he's not an option.




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    Re: Rookie PK Tucker is Impressing

    Quote Originally Posted by wickedsolo View Post
    Being rushed was definitely more on the coaching staff than Cundiff, but again he could have called a time out if he wasn't prepared.
    I'll reiterate the point that he may not have known if a timeout was available. In that case, calling a time out that doesn't exist would result in a penalty (and maybe even a ten second runoff? - I'm not sure on the rule). That would have been a Chris Webber NCAA Finals all over again, and Cundiff would have been roasted.

    Calling a time out was all on the coaches. Blame Cundiff for running out late, missing a chip shot, etc - but don't blame him for not calling a timeout.




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