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    Re: Derrick Mason wants to Retire as a Raven



    Being the greatest Raven receiver isn't exactly an accomplishment though is it? It's sort of like being the sexiest ugly chick or tallest midget. You might be the big fish, but you're swimming in an awfully small pond.

    Mase was a good player, but if he's ROH worthy then so are guys like Edwin Mulitalo (the best LG in team history!) and Jamie Sharper (the best 4-3 SAM backer in team history!)

    He was good, but his diva act and the fact that he was never viewed as a top 5 at his position type of guy says to me that he doesn't belong in the Ring.
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    Re: Derrick Mason wants to Retire as a Raven

    Not sure how this got turned into a ROH type of thing.

    No, I don't think he should be in there.

    But there is no problem with signing a one day contract and retiring as a Raven. And no, it doesn't require a halftime ceremony or a press conference...although the press conference would be likely.




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    Re: Derrick Mason wants to Retire as a Raven

    Quote Originally Posted by Raveninwoodlawn View Post
    Not sure how this got turned into a ROH type of thing.

    No, I don't think he should be in there.

    But there is no problem with signing a one day contract and retiring as a Raven. And no, it doesn't require a halftime ceremony or a press conference...although the press conference would be likely.


    Nail on the head!




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    Re: Derrick Mason wants to Retire as a Raven

    Quote Originally Posted by Raveninwoodlawn View Post
    Not sure how this got turned into a ROH type of thing.

    No, I don't think he should be in there.

    But there is no problem with signing a one day contract and retiring as a Raven. And no, it doesn't require a halftime ceremony or a press conference...although the press conference would be likely.
    Agreed.

    Yes, from a statistical perspective, he was the best receiver we have ever had. But as others have stated, that's not saying much. Ten years down the road, when other receivers have eclipsed his stats, we will all look back and think of him as an almost Ernest Byner like addition to the RoH.

    His actions alone, IMO, at the Carolina game two years ago excludes him from the RoH.
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    Re: Derrick Mason wants to Retire as a Raven

    Quote Originally Posted by Raveninwoodlawn View Post
    Not sure how this got turned into a ROH type of thing.

    No, I don't think he should be in there.

    But there is no problem with signing a one day contract and retiring as a Raven. And no, it doesn't require a halftime ceremony or a press conference...although the press conference would be likely.



    I, too, have no problem with him retiring as a Ravens, if that's what he and the team want to do, but I don't see him as ROH worthy. I've always been a bit more stringent in my criteria for the ROH, but I just don't see how 5 years makes him ROH-worthy. He was never amongst the top WRs stats-wise nor did he ever earn a Pro-Bowl berth. Yes, he was a great Raven (and thank God for him), but IMO, you've got to be more than that to make the ROH. You've got to be one of the better players at your position during your time with the team.

    But, again, maybe I'm too strict. I don't think McCrary belongs in (and I often wore a Mac jersey when he was here) nor do I think Jamal should be there.
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    Re: Derrick Mason wants to Retire as a Raven

    Quote Originally Posted by Jayc00 View Post
    That's great! He played like a Raven and deserves to retire as one. I'll never forget him coming back into the game in Dallas game with a fucked up ass shoulder and still making plays.
    I agree, whole heartedly. When rooks come on, they should show them THAT game tape. Derrick Mason personifies that mantra and I think it's an honor for him to want to go out in purple.




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    Re: Derrick Mason wants to Retire as a Raven

    [QUOTE=B-more Ravor;455855But, again, maybe I'm too strict. I don't think McCrary belongs in (and I often wore a Mac jersey when he was here)nor do I think Jamal should be there.[/QUOTE]

    HUH?! I don't get that one...




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    Re: Derrick Mason wants to Retire as a Raven

    Quote Originally Posted by Dragz View Post
    HUH?! I don't get that one...
    I just think the ROH should be for the best of the best. I love Michael McCrary and they way he played, but if this team creates a history like we all hope, I just don't think guys like McCrary and Jamal will be considered as the best of the best and remembered as such in the future. We love them now, but 20-30 years from now, hopefully we've had players who are much, much better and whose contributions far outweigh those of Mac.

    Would either of those guys be in the Cowboys' or Skins' or Steelers' or Packers' Rings of Honor (if those teams all have ROHs)?

    I just think that it should be considered the Ring of GREAT Ravens, not the Ring of VERY GOOD Ravens.
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    Re: Derrick Mason wants to Retire as a Raven

    Quote Originally Posted by HoustonRaven View Post
    Agreed.

    Yes, from a statistical perspective, he was the best receiver we have ever had. But as others have stated, that's not saying much. Ten years down the road, when other receivers have eclipsed his stats, we will all look back and think of him as an almost Ernest Byner like addition to the RoH.

    His actions alone, IMO, at the Carolina game two years ago excludes him from the RoH.
    I don't think Byner is a good comparison. Byner played here for 2 years and rushed for less then 1,000 in those 2 seasons and only scored 4 TDs and even if you included his time in Browns uniform he only rushed for just over 4,000 yards.

    I don't think Mason should be in the ROH but you could make a much better case for him then the one for Byner




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    Quote Originally Posted by Brtnder81 View Post
    I don't think Byner is a good comparison. Byner played here for 2 years and rushed for less then 1,000 in those 2 seasons and only scored 4 TDs and even if you included his time in Browns uniform he only rushed for just over 4,000 yards.

    I don't think Mason should be in the ROH but you could make a much better case for him then the one for Byner
    Fair enough.

    But when it's ten years from now and Mason is sitting well down the statistical list of Ravens WR's, that same argument you just made will be played out with Mason.

    But yes, maybe not to the level of Byner.
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    Re: Derrick Mason wants to Retire as a Raven

    Quote Originally Posted by Brtnder81 View Post
    I don't think Byner is a good comparison. Byner played here for 2 years and rushed for less then 1,000 in those 2 seasons and only scored 4 TDs and even if you included his time in Browns uniform he only rushed for just over 4,000 yards.

    I don't think Mason should be in the ROH but you could make a much better case for him then the one for Byner
    I don't think it's a statistical thing between Byner and Mason. Byner was a Cleveland Brown when Art Modell owned the team. I won't go through Byner's pro history, but I think it (ROH) was Modell's way of saying "thanks" for coming back to Cleveland/Baltimore... Bc




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    Re: Derrick Mason wants to Retire as a Raven

    Quote Originally Posted by HoustonRaven View Post
    Fair enough.

    But when it's ten years from now and Mason is sitting well down the statistical list of Ravens WR's, that same argument you just made will be played out with Mason.

    But yes, maybe not to the level of Byner.
    I understand what you are saying about comparing his stats 10 years down the road and thats why I said I don't think Mason should be in the ROH. with some of the selections I think they choose the most qualified person that season and put them in just to induct someone every year.




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    Re: Derrick Mason wants to Retire as a Raven

    Quote Originally Posted by BcRaven View Post
    I won't go through Byner's pro history, but I think it (ROH) was Modell's way of saying "thanks" for coming back to Cleveland/Baltimore... Bc
    Couldn't he have just named a skybox after him or something?

    Agree with those that say that the ROH should be reserved for the very best...and not the very good.




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    Re: Derrick Mason wants to Retire as a Raven

    Quote Originally Posted by PeterB58 View Post
    Couldn't he have just named a skybox after him or something?
    Agree with those that say that the ROH should be reserved for the very best...and not the very good.
    I agree that Byner shouldn't be in the ROH. It's just that Art Modell had a personal relationship with him, and that's why (IMO) he's in. Certainly not for anything he did with the Ravens... Bc




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